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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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« on: January 11, 2023, 12:53:43 AM »

I have opposed this every time that Ishan brought it up. I understand the concern here certainly, and that is why under my leadership I have gone to great lengths to ensure that various factions on the right are not subordinated when vacancies occur. That being said, the preservation of such voices and their elimination can just as easily be silenced via the 51% subjugating the 11% that would otherwise be sufficient to win a seat, and there by eliminating dissent.

The benefits of the At-large, is that it allows a gradient of voices to be heard as a product of the election. This way various niches are represented, at the same time, the majority is respected. Its a great balance, and one that a 50+1% special election cannot adequately replicate (see above).

Love or hate Deadprez, his niche views would not get close to 50% in a special election. The same can be said of various groups on the left, various third parties and such forth. In this way, in the blind quest for majority rule, we actually are diminishing the elected "representative" composition in favor of the biggest machine.

There have been times in the past where the right went entirely without at-large representation, pre-reset when this policy was in effect. Summer of 2009 was one such example.

There were times when people felt they had to stay in office when they needed to resign bc of RL concerns, because the seat would certainly flip if vacated mid term.

Its one of those things that sounds good at first glance, but there is a reason we abandoned this approach around the time of reset. Let's not turn back the clock on this one.  
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2023, 01:01:30 AM »

As to the point WB and Sirius raised though I will say such unusual circumstances seem to be becoming more of a norm than they would have been in 2019 or thereabouts since "two largest parties" has become kind of meaningless in terms of which players actually run for specials, see for instance Wulfric running in yet another one in a region whose legislature has been majority third party for quite a while, which also happens to be the only region where legislative specials actually occur.

We haven't heard from the sponsor either, have we? I'd like to know his thoughts.

More of a normal currently, but that can change with the drop of the hat. There have been two definite periods when one party or whoever that party backed, were basically assured of victory in any head to head election. 2009-2012 and 2019-2022. Sure, there were close ones in both periods (for President), but in the case of the former, the JCP won something like 8 out of 9 At-large specials.

Its not the same constituency, and yet the 50+1% is acclaimed to possess the righteous title to decide who gets to succeed a representative elected on a 11% constituency. Its a recipe for a legislature arbitrarily titled towards the big center left party, at the expense of everyone else, especially on the right.
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2023, 12:30:22 AM »
« Edited: January 13, 2023, 12:39:25 AM by Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Ah yes, the Green Party situation. As I recall the Green Party had already collapsed (for reasons of duplicitous dealing and scheming paired with incompetent execution) when it was in a position where the seat became vacant. This, combined with weak bylaws and a collapsed leadership structure, made it possible for the seat to be seized in this manner.

Keep in mind that the Constitutional stipulations only dictates who makes the appointment, not how it is sourced. it is perfectly plausible for a party to hold a vote and primary on who gets the appointment and then the chair just appoints who ever wins that process. This still complies with the constitution mind you because the chair is still officially processing the paperwork. It is also possible for parties to limit the ability of "invaders" to seize control of a party through various restrictions on voting by new members, minimum membership time to vote in party election, serve as party leadership etc.

There is no other example of seat being stolen in this manner and says more about the Greens than it does about this process.

As for the "big party making deals", what good is the JCP making a deal with the LNF to win an At-large special when the At-large special was replacing the only At-large conservative in the Senate, who would otherwise win a five seat regular election (at the time), but could never win a head to head 50+1% special.

The end result is an unrepresentative chamber, it would be the same as if the state of New York decided that it was going to replace the holder of highly Republican NY-26 last decade via a special election of the whole state.

 
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2023, 03:50:36 PM »

Nay
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