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« on: October 10, 2020, 03:03:23 PM »

Seems like the Senate is on the verge of open revolt against Trump. Frankly though, in this case they are weakening their own position in terms of holding the Senate by refusing to budge, but perhaps they have found a way to twist the knife in Trump while appearing to be "more conservative than him" and thus "safe to do so" in their eyes anyway.
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2020, 03:59:25 PM »

Seems like the Senate is on the verge of open revolt against Trump. Frankly though, in this case they are weakening their own position in terms of holding the Senate by refusing to budge, but perhaps they have found a way to twist the knife in Trump while appearing to be "more conservative than him" and thus "safe to do so" in their eyes anyway.

I think on some level they want to be the minority party again because that's all they really know how to do anymore and they've already confirmed like 30 years worth of federal judges so who cares.

I think that is a big part of it. To be a Republican in governance is impossible because you got Grover Norquist, Wayne LaPierre and Tucker Carlson with a gun pointed at your head from three sides making it impossible to actually govern.

Its why they couldn't come up with an alternative to Obamacare because that alternative would basically have to be a combination of subsidies and market places, which at the basic level is 75% the same thing and they spent the last 10 years calling that socialism. So in the end they voted for skinny repeals with empty promises and that has exposed them to "VOTED 10 TIMES TO GUT PREXISTING CONDITION" attacks that are demolishing the Republican Senate candidates right now.

They also failed to do anything tangible on drug prices after campaigning on it 2016.

This is a pattern of over promising beyond what it is tangibly possible (within the confines allowed by this byzantine structure of grifting pressure groups), under-delivering because reality is harsh and then facing the wrath of disappointed voters who expected more.

The right is more concerned with exterminating traitors then actually governing, it didn't work for the Soviet Union and it is not going to work for the US right.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2020, 04:04:04 PM »

I think everyone should just completely ignore Trump and anything he does going forward.  He's likely to lose in 24 days.

He has no leverage for that reason. Senators would be inclined to curry favor with a President likely to be reelected, but at this point they are basically operating as if it is a foregone conclusion that he will lose. They are also predicting that the issues defining the period afterwards will be dominated by a shift towards concern for the deficit.

That is also a factor that needs to be considered here. For those who are retiring it is about principle, but those who have to face the potential of the now standard base revolt that occurs in midterm of party out of power they are trying to avoid being deemed a big spender establishment type and thus get voted out by the next wave of revolutionaries pressed on to be the knifes at the backs of the incumbents to never waver, lest they be eliminated next, by the same said pressure groups.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2020, 11:42:23 PM »

Senate Republicans operate like they have political teflon.

No, I think they still worry more about primary elections than general elections.  Yes, opposing a stimulus now may very well cost the Republicans the Senate, but for most individual Republican Senators, it's the politically wise thing to do.

Especially if they expect 2022 to be a 2010 redux.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2020, 01:57:11 PM »

It's happening! Pelosi should take the deal because the Senate won't.




Trump is 100% right.

ACB will be confirmed. GOP has the votes. The hearings are just political theater that is serving zero purpose but for wasting time. Get the vote done, and get the stimulus passed. This entire year has been disgusting all around.

I wasn't aware that the Judiciary Committee had anything to do with Stimulus legislation. Yes, it's political theatre, but it isn't blocking anything else from going forward.

People tend to presume that if one thing is the focus, something else isn't getting done.
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