Tarrant co GOPer: Lets finish what Trump started and form an Amer Nat party

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The funny thing is what when people disagreed with me on the Safe D Texas meme, it was always on the basis that "Oh the Republicans will realize that things are changing and adapt, and/or rural Hispanics are very favorable to the GOP in TX".

A poster made a point recently, I forget who it was, when talking about Virginia that once a state's politics gets defined by a front line battle between the old and new emerging demos and then once that flips, it is very difficult for a Republican to bridge that divide and win like say Baker in MA. One because the base of said party is too extreme and two because the majority will be very distrustful of the GOP for a long time.

The factor that people always miss is the stupidity factor. Whenever Republicans talk about God being on their side, I am reminded of the Clint Eastwood line, "No God's not on our side because he hates idiots also" from the movie The Good, The Bad and Ugly.

As these transformations of these states occur, the GOP within those states, are going to make the most horrendously dumb, shotgun to the legs level of counter productive responses.

We just had a shooting where a guy killed a bunch of people because he was scared of Safe D Texas and a Republican operative in the key county in the state, is basically expressing the same desire, to reverse Texas' trends through what amounts to ethnic cleansing. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the probably with the counterpoint of "rather good" Hispanic numbers and "adaptions" to the new reality within the same state are going to keep Texas Republican.

Hell no, Republicans are to inflexible, they cannot. Look at DC 80% of Republicans support background checks and Trump is being warned by an entity that probably can only spend $10 million at best while he (Trump) is probably going to spend $1 billion in 2020 and can end a Senator's career with a tweet, but yet Senators are to afraid to operate outside of the mind control they have willingly subjected themselves to over the past 40 years by corporate funded think tanks.

To save the GOP in Texas you have to immediately do the following.
1) Background checks
2) Acknowledge Climate Change
3) Come up with a solution to college debt
4) Quit talking about fing ethnic cleansing.


None of these are going to happen, because Republican politicians are brain dead slaves who will just keep droning on about the same talking points and so their only political strategy will be to pound the proverbial dead horse until it has given its last hurrah and then some with rhetoric getting so bad to push the last minuscule gains from turnout, that we would be lucky if the next fruit cake isn't walking into El Paso with a dirty bomb in his brief case, before finally the Democrats put the rabid dog that is the TX GOP out of its misery and relegate it to several decades in minority status.

Maybe I am too pessimistic about this whole process, but generally speaking you don't reverse the trends in states because the GOP has become so radioactive that such is impossible. The history of many states littered with such examples with the parties preferring new ground to trying to reclaim the old one.

That is ultimately the give and take as to why I think the GOP might stand a better chance in NY And CA in the 2040s than they do in Texas. Stupidity and radioactive decay.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Came expecting American Nationalist party. I was disappointed.

That’s...exactly what it is.

Am Nationalist party = Am Nazi party??

Those are two very different things.

4) Quit talking about fing ethnic cleansing.

[Citation needed]

Is there a better term for removing an undesired group of people that is causing your piece of clay to vote the wrong way?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Came expecting American Nationalist party. I was disappointed.

That’s...exactly what it is.

Am Nationalist party = Am Nazi party??

Those are two very different things.

4) Quit talking about fing ethnic cleansing.

[Citation needed]

Is there a better term for removing an undesired group of people that is causing your piece of clay to vote the wrong way?

Removing illegal immigrants is not comparable to ethnic cleansing. Are you f**king crazy?

The quote didn't just stop at illegals. "anchor babies and more", and based on way the quote reads, it sounds like they think this will halt TX's elections trends, which either means 1) they think illegals are casting ballots or 2) the desire is to remove voting citizens.

It is one thing to enforce immigration law because it is the law of the land (which would include deportations yes) and to structure your legal immigration policies based on economic need (merit based system) and another entirely to talk about removing people to stave off electoral transformation.

To my larger point, which was how you would in fact "save Texas" for the GOP, you need to not alienate the 35% of Hispanics that do vote Republican in Texas and rhetoric like this crosses the line.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Also ironically, it should be pointed out that the decline of the white share of the vote is only half of the picture in terms of what is causing Texas to trend blue so focusing on the Hispanics is pointless anyway in that regards. As I have pointed out several times before, the white vote is inflated in sunbelt states and younger whites aren't going to be Republican enough to maintain the diverse states as majority Republican.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

1990s CA GOP: "We just doomed ourselves to be a minority party for generations."

2010s TX GOP: "Hold my beer."

More of national gop because if they lose Texas they will be in the wilderness at the national level similar to the 1980s Dems and then the map will realign after 8-12 years in the wilderness .


A party just cannot win a Presidential election without winning one of CA , TX or NY

Don't forget the third largest state, Florida, assuming they don't make the same stupid mistakes there.

Florida is a bit different in terms of trajectory in that it gets a constant resupply of Republicans as a retirement mecca for rich white Republicans and this, plus a more stable political culture that is use to being in a razor thin competition with the Democrats and you have a state that is likely to remain rather close. Granted Republicans have their own problems in the state long term but it might be easy to balance the base that is use to having to compete with Democrats with winning the general far better than TX where it was all about being as conservative as possible to win the primary and then the general was a given for the GOP.

Florida Republicans would also be more likely to discuss environment and climate issues there because there is hardly no energy sector, tourism is important, the land is very low and Hurricanes are a frequent threat. This gives them a big advantage compared to the TX GOP, which is heavily tied to oil interests.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The problem is not Trumpism, it is policy inflexibility.


There are issues out there no matter which path you take, electorally, that require the GOP to make compromises on some things and that is something that they are not in a position to do.

Republican politicians have to a large extent been drilled down into being uniform and without much variance and they are trained to tow the line or massive army of pressure groups will sever them limb from limb.

In nature when you lack genetic variance, you end up vulnerable to extinction. In politics....


Republicans are not capable of addressing the pressing issues that concern not just swing voters (in either path you take) but also core pieces of the base.

A large number of Trump's voters want cheap drugs and health care access, a number of suburban swing voters want background checks and many younger voters everywhere are concerned about climate change.

Eliminating Trumpism doesn't save the GOP, it just returns it to the same army of lobbyists, donors and think tanks that have chains on the party's neck and prevent it from adapting to the modern reality. Getting rid of Trump isn't going make oil bound TX GOP suddenly start promoting GOP alternatives to reduce carbon emissions in the Dallas suburbs. They were calling climate change a hoax before Trump (Rush was saying that for decades) and they will keep saying that. It isn't going to make NRA bound Republicans embrace Manchin-Toomey, which at this point is the gateway policy to not even just gaining support, but to avoid getting absolutely trashed in suburbs around the country. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If Trump was not constrained by his party, he would do an Assault Weapons Ban, and at the very least background checks, but probably both. Trump is not a hunter, he is a New Yorker, an as recently as 2013 he was going on tweet storms against the NRA.

He would also do price controls on drugs, he would probably support some kind of health care program that expands access (remember the 2015 comments praising European systems) and he would has a boner for construction so he would spend a lot on infrastructure.

If Trumpist policy aspirations actually matched the achievements, the GOP would be in a much better place electorally. It is precisely because the Reaganist elements of the GOP are filtering all of the popular stuff out, that leaves Trumpism as basically just comprising the ugliest components, some of which will naturally depart once Trump is gone (hopefully), even if the GOP remains more trumpian afterwards (it probably will).

Trump's deviations on some things cause heart burn even for me and I have historically been tolerant of policy disagreements, but winning elections isn't about getting what you want necessarily, it is about matching people where they are and if the GOP cannot do that, that is the quickest path to the wilderness.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The problem is not Trumpism, it is policy inflexibility.


There are issues out there no matter which path you take, electorally, that require the GOP to make compromises on some things and that is something that they are not in a position to do.

Republican politicians have to a large extent been drilled down into being uniform and without much variance and they are trained to tow the line or massive army of pressure groups will sever them limb from limb.

In nature when you lack genetic variance, you end up vulnerable to extinction. In politics....


Republicans are not capable of addressing the pressing issues that concern not just swing voters (in either path you take) but also core pieces of the base.

A large number of Trump's voters want cheap drugs and health care access, a number of suburban swing voters want background checks and many younger voters everywhere are concerned about climate change.

Eliminating Trumpism doesn't save the GOP, it just returns it to the same army of lobbyists, donors and think tanks that have chains on the party's neck and prevent it from adapting to the modern reality.

The GOP will probably rue the day they chose George W Bush over McCain in 2000. The Bush years were a disaster  for the GOP and the tea party and Trump are just a consequence of those 8 Bush years

Arguably this dates back to the way Newt Gingrich distilled Reaganism and regained Congress, then with his replacement by Hastert and Delay you had the army of lobbyists, donors and think tanks come on the scene and eventually intermingle to form the Washington "Conservative" Establishment with could match money, policy and politicians together in a sort of clearing house and if you deviated from the line, they had the money and strategy to get you voted out and replaced with someone who would tow the line.

Bush actually was able to achieve various non-conservative domestic policies to appease key swing votes in critical states on a micro-targetted level. I remember Karl Rove talking about how they used NCLB and education to sway a select number of Hispanic women in New Mexico. If Trump could get background checks, drug prices and maybe something on family Medical Leave (basically the Kushner pet projects), they have the policy nucleus to accomplish the same kind of strategy in 2020, but ironically it will be the tea party and small gov't pre-Trump Conservatives who will inhibit that on ideological grounds.