SENATE BILL: Another OSPR Consolidation Amendment (Passed)

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Shortens final votes to five days, beefs up the language (shortening it in the process), including the redraft process finally, general cosnolidation and of course replacing references to PPT with President of the SEnate as we have been doing for a while now. Let me know if you see any I missed. I will post the current version of this in a minute.

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Most of these changes I think are a step in the right direction, with the exception of replacing the PPT with the President of the Senate. We've had issues with the President of the Senate showing up for votes, and I think this might not be the best way to address them.

The constitution already gives the VP primary responsbility for managing the Senate. For years the OSPR was operating in contrary to that and in early 2010, Fritz amended it to put the VP on top with the authority to delegate the authorty to the PPT, which is what we have done since.

However, that just glazed the surface and didn't change all the references over. So in OSPR amendments over the past year or so we have finally begun to complete that transition by replacing references to "PPT" with "Presidnet of the Senate". 

Basicalyl what Talleyrand said.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am going to go ahead adn call uc on this one in the hopes that all issues have been addressed.

IF not, then of course therer will be an objection.

I ask unanimous consent to waive the minimum debate and cloture requirements, Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Where is the redraft process in the Constitution?  

Clause 4

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I don't believe it makes sense that the mere fact that the first six people to vote are unanimous means the vote change period is cancelled.

I am afraid, I am going to have judge this amendment as hostile.

The vote change period only is present on veto overrides and final votes anyway. Amendments, nominee confirmation and such forth it is not even present at all. In fact I sense a correlation based on the time length perhaps that the longer the vote, the presence of such occurs.

I see the presence of such as an inducement to vote quickly and be attentative. It has also produced some rather short vote times, sub 24 hours even, which is certainly helpful.

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I don't believe it makes sense that the mere fact that the first six people to vote are unanimous means the vote change period is cancelled.

I am afraid, I am going to have judge this amendment as hostile.

The vote change period only is present on veto overrides and final votes anyway. Amendments, nominee confirmation and such forth it is not even present at all. In fact I sense a correlation based on the time length perhaps that the longer the vote, the presence of such occurs.

I see the presence of such as an inducement to vote quickly and be attentative. It has also produced some rather short vote times, sub 24 hours even, which is certainly helpful.

If your overriding concern is for fast votes, then you are right. But it strikes me as completely arbitrary that being allowed to change your vote on a final vote would be a good thing in one instance and not be a good thing in another.

I see your point. It is difficult to do though unless it really is unnamious and people are lagging on the vote or you just happened to be in the right place at the right time. The number of times that has happened is probably like three or four in as many Senates.

I do see your point, though.

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Status: A vote is now open on the above amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There's a little typo in there, though. We can fix that after.

I see one or two myself. Which one are you referring to?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I urge my fellow Senators to reconsider removing the provision in its entirety. I just completed the Troubled Teen Act and brought up DC Al fine's Small Investor Protection act entirely because of this.

If I had to give 24 hours, it would be after the start of the Senate and likely would have meant that several days would have passed because we would not have PPT to put something in a PPT slot for that length of time.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There's a little typo in there, though. We can fix that after.

I see one or two myself. Which one are you referring to?

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If there's anything else you'd like to change, if the amendment doesn't pass, we can go ahead and consolidate it.

on the legislation, either during the vote or

I also want to restructure the sentence to follow provided it is retained. Because "This requirement" only applies to the second half of the proceeding sentence, not the first and I worry that such is not clear.

There was also another one somewhere's else in the text that I spotted last night.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This amendment ends in about an hour.

It is presently 5-4-0-1 with Talleyrand not voting.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 59:101 by shua:

Aye (5): Goldwater, Lumine, Mr. X (switched too late man), shua and TNF
Nay (4): bore, DC al Fine, NC Yankee and TyrionthEImperialist
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): Talleyrand (voted too late man)

With five votes for and four against when time expired, the VP can declare it as having passed.

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Status: The VP may call 24 hours on objections.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE ftr

sorry guys, I am having a rough time because of real life stuff.


Shua,

I support your amendment but I am concerned tht since it is a Constitutional process, that such would require a constitutional amendment to be enacted. I assume that procedures beyond those established would be fine, but I am not sure.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I hope that those voting AYE on putting back in the wording they just voted to remove at least recognize the irony of their position, given the subject: you change your minds now so that you wont be able to change your minds on some final vote. 

In fairness, some might have voted as they because of the errors in the previous wording as well as the vague reference to "This Process" at the beginning of the removed sentence, which the new amendment resolves.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 60:03 by TyriontheImperialist

Aye (6): bore, Goldwater, Lumine, Talleyrand, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (1): shua
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (3): DC al Fine, Mr X (too late), and NC Yankee (too late)

The amendment has been adopted.

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Status: Objection filed by Senator TNF. A vote is now open on the above amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 60:05 by shua

Aye (5): Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, shua and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (3): bore, Talleyrand and TNF
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): DC al Fine

With five votes in the affiramtive nad time having expired, the amendment is adopted.

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Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.