55th Senate PPT and Committee Declarations (Com Chair voting)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is a slight error in the OP. It is only two days for PPT Declaration and then Five Days for PPT Elections. I accidentally posted the wrong number in an AIM transmission to Duke on Friday. I should have sent him a PM, like the vict err Senators.

I declare for President Pro-Tempore and for Government Oversight and Reform Committee.

PPT - myself
GOR - myself, Nappy, Snowstalker, Maxy and jdb
NSC - Ben, jdb, Kalwejt Snowstalker and Nappy
JUD - Maxy and jdb
IA - Nappy, Snowy, and Maxy

Not bad, but we have a lot of doubling up here and in some cases possible tripling up here. My recommendation is to take that under advisement and also consider who is capable of being chair of each committee:

Chairs:
GOR ?
NSC: Ben?
JUD ?
IA: Nappy?

We want these to work for once so think hard.

 

I declare for GOR, Judiciary and Internal Affairs, but I'll probably withdraw for one once things are clearer. I just want to improve my odds of being selected on one.

Well you got a clear shot at the judiciary at this point. If no one else declares, I'll volunteer to fill the last spot there considering my recent legal actions, unfortunate experience with the court's responsiveness and the fact that I have been reading the Federalist Papers, means that I could bring some merit to the table in legal affairs if necessary.

Since Nixy and Hagird are pulling back, it would be preferable to having someone else take on a third.

What about sbane? He hasn't declared for anything yet? 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

PPT - myself, Nappy? (Might want to finalize that to be safe, time is running out)
GOR - myself, Nappy, Snowstalker, Maxy and jdb
NSC - Ben, jdb, Kalwejt Snowstalker and Nappy
JUD - Maxy, jdb and Nix
IA - Nappy, sbane, Snowy, and Maxy

Chairs:
GOR ?
NSC: Ben?
JUD ?
IA: Nappy

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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We should remove that second thread requirement that this point. We have about an hour and a hald left on the PPT Declaration thread.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hey Maxy, would you be interested in voluntaring to count the committee votes for Duke when the time comes? You did it once before and I would like to avoid a delay on that when the time comes.

We should be able to go ahead and open a vote on the committees along with the PPT election, since so many have declared and we have enough to fill all the gaps now.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are you going to be NSC chair again when the time comes Ben?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

PPT - myself, Nappy? (Might want to finalize that to be safe, time is running out)
GOR - myself, Nappy, Snowstalker, Maxy and jdb
NSC - Ben, jdb, Kalwejt Snowstalker and Nappy
JUD - Ben, Maxy, jdb and Nix
IA - Nappy, sbane, Snowy, and Maxy

Chairs:
GOR ?
NSC: Ben
JUD ?
IA: Nappy

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hey Maxy, would you be interested in voluntaring to count the committee votes for Duke when the time comes? You did it once before and I would like to avoid a delay on that when the time comes.

We should be able to go ahead and open a vote on the committees along with the PPT election, since so many have declared and we have enough to fill all the gaps now.

I suppose so, as long someone says me how much members each committee has.

Each one has three members.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Of course, I am merely listing what everyone has said so far as that Duke won't have to dig through all these posts.

That said, I am pushing things as fast as possible and I would like that if as soon as you can count those votes, that Duke can begin a declaration period, preferably only of 24 hours since these aren't strictly regulated (unlike the PPT rules, which are firmly stipulated). If we need to, we can count the declarations of Ben and Nappy from prior to the period.

Also, who is thinking about serving as chair of GOR and JUD.

Now granted if one of these people doesn't get on said committee, then obviously rethinking is necessary, but working people through a decision process is easier for one, as opposed to all four spots. It will also take less time that way. See my point?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

DUKE!!!!!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

PPT - myself, Nappy? (Might want to finalize that to be safe, time is running out)
GOR - myself, Nappy, Snowstalker, Maxy and jdb
NSC - Ben, jdb, Kalwejt Snowstalker and Nappy
JUD - Ben, Maxy, jdb and Nix
IA - Nappy, sbane, Snowy, and Maxy

Chairs:
GOR ?
NSC: Ben
JUD ?
IA: Nappy

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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We should remove that second thread requirement that this point. We have about an hour and a hald left on the PPT Declaration thread.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

PPT election: (5 days)

[1] Yankee
[2] WI: Napoleon
[3] WI: benconstine
[4] WI: HagridofthDeep
[5] WI: Αverroës Nix
[6] WI: jdb
[7] WI: Snowstalker
[8] WI: sbane
[9] WI: MaxQue
[10] WI: Kalwejt

Order of expressed interest, followed by senority, as I have voted since November I think.

Committees:

GOR:
[1] Yankee
[2] Napoleon
[5] Snowstalker
[3] X
[4] Maxque

NSC:
[1] Ben
[2] X
[3] Kal
[5] Snowstalker
[4] Napoleon

JUD
[3] Ben
[2] Maxque
[4] X
[1] Nix

IA:
[1] Napoleon
[2] Snowstalker
[3] Sbane
[4] Maxque

I tried to get everyone in the top three and  based it somewhat off expressed interests and so forth, as well as my take on their expertise all playing a part in the consideration.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Somehow I missed you when I compiled the list, but only for GOR. Duke was referrencing my list to save time.

I posted it several times, just for the purpose of ensuring that if someone got missed, that would be pointed out and the mistake corrected before it was too late.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am not conducting this vote. Duke is administering these and Maxy is doing the counting so it would be Duke's decision on a revote.

The only problem is that it might cause a bifurcated process, since we need to get the Judiciary up and running to deal with those impeachment articles so we would be declaring for the chairs for the other three while redoing membership on the GOR. It would also require that the Senators all vote rather quickly, if such were to happen.

Also Maxy, you can go ahead a calculate the four committees now that Kal has voted. If kal changes his mind on the revote, we will just can the tabulation for the GOR since it would obviously change.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nix hadn't been here very long when he took over the GOR committee from myself. In fact he may have even been a freshman at the time.

Really all you have to do is be a dick to the members and keep them active and avoid delays of longer than three days. Also keep in mind that any changes made to a bill in committee must be added to or alter the text in the introduction thread before a bill reaches the floor. After that point, any amendments have to be processed under normal procedures.

If X doesn't want to and Nappy doesn't want to double up, I will declare for the GOR committee chair. I did both the PPT and the GOR once before back in the late summer and early fall, but only for a Senate and a half. Such a combination does wear you down after a while, though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I count three actually and a fourth provisional.

I would count Nappy as Internal Affairs as there is no other similar named committee and thus intent is pretty clear.

Maxy said "I'll take it" with regards to Judiciary and I said "I will take it if" for GOR. Maxy is declaratory thus and I am the provisional one. Since we are over time, you could just state that the period is over and that the absence of X or Nappy saying otherwise, removes the provisionality of my statement. Or just to make you happy, fine, "I will run for the Chairmanship of the GOR committee".

Because I say so Duke and isn't that sufficent enough for you?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well I upgraded mine, so does that make you happy?

And the solution to anyone mistakes is more attenative eyes. If we had all twenty two in such a state, that would have nevered happened.

And Duke you forgot how I accidentally thought you messed up the veto override and then proceeded to lecture you on the proper way to do it, before then realized I had miscounted the nays and had to delete the post. Shame about the ten minutes I wasted on that, though.

And Kalwejt isn't the only one that I seem to have bad luck with. I remember some freak mistakes happening with Nathan at one point as well.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am open to consolidation, but It think Justice and GOR would be a better combination, but that would of course leave three committees instead of two. Needing only nine committee members would be more efficient though.

Also, for those elected as Chair, take advantage of the Producitve committees Resolution to ensure that we can avoid certain things that plagued us last time. Designate people to fill in for instance in accordance with the procedures established therein.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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3. Clause 3 of the Government Oversight and Reform Committee Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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4. Clause 4 of the Government Oversight and Reform Committee Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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SECTION 3. AMENDMENT TO THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY CREATION RESOLUTION.

1. The clauses of the Senate Committee on National Security Creation Resolution shall be numbered as 1-5.

2. Clause 2 of the Senate Committee on National Security Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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3. Clause 3 of the Senate Committee on National Security Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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4. Clause 4 of the Senate Committee on National Security Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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SECTION 4. AMENDMENT TO THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY CREATION RESOLUTION.

1. Section (3) Subsection (1) of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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2. Section (3) Subsection (3) of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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3. Section (3) Subsection (4) of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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SECTION 5. AMENDMENT TO THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON INTERNAL AFFAIRS CREATION RESOLUTION.

1. Section (3) Subsection (1) of the Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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2. Section (3) Subsection (3) of the Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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3. Section (3) Subsection (4) of the Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution shall be amended as follows:

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SECTION 6. AMENDMENT TO THE OSPR SECTION ON THE SENATE COMMITTEES OVERSIGHT POWERS

1. Article 7, Section 3, of the OSPR is amended as follows:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nice catch there Ben, at least someone remembers that gigantic text I had to compile.

If a Chairman is unopposed, can't we waive the vote?

NO CONSOLIDATING NSC.  It stands alone.

I am open to consolidation, but It think Justice and GOR would be a better combination, but that would of course leave three committees instead of two. Needing only nine committee members would be more efficient though.

Also, for those elected as Chair, take advantage of the Producitve committees Resolution to ensure that we can avoid certain things that plagued us last time. Designate people to fill in for instance in accordance with the procedures established therein.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Ease there old Marokai, I don't see what my statment does to deprive you us of "nice things"? You are back to the old demgoging ideas problem of yours once again.

Could we just eliminate the Judiciary Committee and combine Internal Affairs and Oversight/Reform? The Judiciary would mostly be dealing with "legal" matters, which, in the context of Atlasia, would just be a fancy version of forum affairs, which can basically be covered by the game reform committee. Internal Affairs barely has enough to do on it's own, anyway. As nice as the idea of eliminating one committee is, there's much more trimming that could be done to the Committee system than just having nine seats open instead of twelve, in a body of just ten.

Change occurs slowly. I would remind you that it was Scott's haste that left us with four committees last year. At the time the IA's functions were a part of the GOR.

I would have no problem with that combination suggested, however.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Committee Chair vote:

GOR
[X] Yankee


Only vote for the committee you are a member on.

I thought this vote wasn't necessary.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What is the status of this vote?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We need to replace jdb on the GOR Committee, we also need to consider the fact that the IA committee is now dead and has been for some time. I had wanted to wait on the former until the special occured, but now I am having second thoughts abotu waiting quite that long.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We have a full Senate now, perhaps we cna move ahead with filling that vacancy?