Why is homosexuality "bad" to some people?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I imagine that if any homosexuals are unsatisfied with their lives, it's because they have been living in fear of gay-bashers.

     Also, if we are to assume that it's a lifestyle & nothing more (no gay person I have ever met would agree with that), it's no more of a problem than drinking alcohol. In both cases, a person is making a choice that can adversely affect his/her life. It's that person's body; s/he can do whatever s/he wants with it provided that s/he isn't harming anyone else. In that respect, homosexuality is less of a threat to society than alcohol.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Concerning male homosexuality:

Homophobia is used so loosely. Instead of being used for what it actually means, it has become a derogatory term used for those who don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle.

Homosexual attraction is disordered. What is normal and natural is for a man to be attracted to women and vice-versa, which is obviously intrinsically linked with procreation. The sexual revolution of the 60s attempted to legitimize homosexual behavior as simply a different lifestyle. Perhaps groups were hostile with male homosexuals, because they dealt with them as they were in the past historically-- straight men who were sexually promiscuous. They neglected to deal with it as it was at that time-- authentically homosexaully-oriented men, due to problems in the childhood. Ask any homosexual man-- generally speaking, they do not have great relationships with their fathers. This is the cause of the problem.

Many of you will likely say, "the APA disagrees". Yes, of course. I have learned not to trust most of what the APA says. Up until the early 70s, what I said above was the opinion of the APA. During one conference, the entire views of the APA changed. Why? The board was replaced by homosexual or homosexual-friendly psychologists. It was essentially hijacked. Most of the data used to justify homosexuality was hogwash. None of the studies were done properly. It was, and has become, a huge mess.

Homosexuality is a huge problem, as the entire lifestyle is unhealthy physically, psychologically, and spiritually. Homosexual men are more likely to have a promiscuous lifestyle, die earlier in life, and to have severe psychological problems. It's time that the APA takes a look at reality and find a solution for this problem. These people need help, and instead of helping, the APA is making it worse. More men-- often very young-- will die, and live very unsatisfying lives.

     I imagine that if any homosexuals are unsatisfied with their lives, it's because they have been living in fear of gay-bashers.

     Also, if we are to assume that it's a lifestyle & nothing more (no gay person I have ever met would agree with that), it's no more of a problem than drinking alcohol. In both cases, a person is making a choice that can adversely affect his/her life. It's that person's body; s/he can do whatever s/he wants with it provided that s/he isn't harming anyone else. In that respect, homosexuality is less of a threat to society than alcohol.

By drinking Alcohol you are hurting your body each time you do it. How is that and being gay the same? How are you hurting yourself?

     I was responding to Brambila's suggestion that homosexuality is self-destructive. I just didn't feel like quoting the whole diatribe to make two points about it. Not to mention that the direction of the topic had changed to respond to Brambila. I'll insert the quote though, just to avoid any future confusion.

[Associate Justice PiT]

This debate is so tired.

     Like abortion, gay rights is an issue that is fundamentally incapable of a resolution. Abortion because one side (my side ) views it as murder whereas the other does not. Gay rights because one side views it as unnatural whereas the other does not.

     Straight to the point, it's absolutely not worth trying to debate with anyone. I support gay marriage because gay people are absolutely non-threatening to heterosexuals. I strongly subscribe to the view that if something is not a threat to anyone else, there is no reason that it should be outlawed.

     I will say though that my mother strongly supports gay marriage, but she chides me for supporting it myself.

[Associate Justice PiT]

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If this is the case, how come Buddhists in Tibet are happy? They have endured countless degrees of persecution in the last 50 years, and yet they continue what they are doing, and are happy. Another instance comes into mind—I live in San Francisco. How come San Francisco, the most gay-friendly city in the nation, also has one of the highest rates of violent crime and promiscuity among homosexuals in the nation?

     One of the central tenets of Buddhism is learning to endure physical suffering & gaining spiritual fortitude. Just because Buddhist monks can deal with being persecuted, doesn't mean everyone can.

     As for hate crimes, just because San Francisco is accepting of homosexuality, doesn't mean every single person in the city thinks it's alright.

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I would be quite content equating in terms of societal threats homosexuality with alcoholism. However, there is something that makes homosexuality worse. First of all, sex is far more addictive than alcohol. According to a recent study done by psychologists, over 60% of American men are addicted to sex. Whether this is through pornography, promiscuous sex, or masturbation, this is the case. Second, homosexuality is more threatening because there is an entire culture that surrounds it that lures people in. I have many friends in the psychological community and with those who work with homosexuals, and I can attest to the fact that I know of situations—both through personal experience and word of mouth—of young homosexual men being lured into the homosexual lifestyle, only to die from HIV or other STDs at a very young age. My own uncle is HIV positive from living a homosexual lifestyle, and he entered it in high school. In my uncles case, and as is often the case, adults brought him into the lifestyle when he was an emotional and unstable teenager. Thus, I believe the homosexual lifestyle to be much more threatening than alcoholism. At least everyone recognizes that alcoholism is not ideal.

     I haven't experienced this "culture" luring me in. I have many good friends that are homosexual, but neither me nor any of my heterosexual friends have ever felt the desire to become homosexual because of it.

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I have used reason to explain everything I have said. What magical creature are you talking about? You seem to be the one in a fantasy.

Dude gays can't help it. I think that is one fact you need to understand. Just like you and I are attracted to women, they are attracted to men. If they pretended to like women, their lives would be worthless and meaningless and they would be hurting themselves( which you think homosexuality does to them).

     This makes me want to start a poll asking people if they feel that their sexual orientation is a choice. As I said, I have never met anyone who said that they were straight or gay because they chose to be that way.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I don't know if its a coincidence, but when I clicked on this thread all 5 of the banner ads had to do with gays.  Strange

     I've noticed that happen sometimes.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I really think it could be the case.

Does that mean I'm a secret yankee loving latte drinking liberal?

No.  Because I don't think you are absolutely obsessed with yankee loving latte drinking liberals.  I think your dislike of their politics is genuine enough to not need to constantly justify that dislike to yourself.

     That's one thing that's always bugged me. If someone is straight, why should they care about stopping gays from marrying? Jealousy? Control freak? Boredom?

[Associate Justice PiT]

As the pissy, liberal, elitist that I am, I'm convinced that rabid intolerance of homosexuality is a result of the human mind malfunctioning. Said simply, it's my belief that people who are so disturbed by homosexuality have brains that do not function correctly.

     I wouldn't go that far. Rather, I'd say that they are just giving into one of the basest human impulses: hatred of that which is different.

[Associate Justice PiT]

(Oh, and as far as "impeding their own freedoms" I assume you mean jail - suppose these are authority figures or something. It's all hypothetical so they could hypothetically be in a position in which they can get away with killing you.)

And hypothetically the bullet could enter the skull and not kill me (as has happened at a case I deal with in work) Yet I could choke to death on a piece of onion two days later

The problem with hypotheticals and indeed relativism and arbitrary prononouncements is that they often just circle above the head and indeed just outside of the argument. That is why moral relativism is often deployed by those who try to justify otherwise unsavoury or untenable positions. So when faced with white they deploy relativism rather than prepare to face off with black or even grey. Sometimes it is better simply to accept there is a fence and in relation to that fence you are somewhere.

     That's more an issue with the use of the ideology. I strongly subscribe to subjectivistic ideas, but I still have deeply-held convictions. I'm just a subjectivist because I recognize that there is no reason to believe my convictions are objectively true or proper for everyone.

     True relativists are annoying. If you actually subscribe to subjectivism, being relativistic is just counter-productive, as it flies in the face of the subjectivistic perogative of securing individual rights to be able to self-edify.

     Sorry for my miniature rant. Relativists just bug me because they give people like me a bad name.

[Associate Justice PiT]

but let me ask this: How many people that consider homosexuality immoral would try to use religion to support their opinion?

I'm guessing it'd be an overwhelming majority.

Plenty but that doesn't mean people change what "religion" actually says on the matter. It's like those that think Catholics believe that gays go straight to Hell. It's wrong and I'm offended that even after I correct this idea, people still insist that it's true.

No... only practicing gays who don't repent on their deathbeds. "Love the sinner, hate the sin".
...oh via Purgatory?

I think religion is not helpful - given that it proscribes a "ideal" way to be, and when you're dealing with something like that, to be a different from that is... well pretty serious to some people.

However, general idocy and ignorance is the main view.

Some of my favourites
gay = paedophile and gay = potential raper of other men.

I've seen friends go through s**t from these morons and frankly people this stupid dont deserve help.

     People like that are the reason that people should be required to have a license to have children. Folks like them should not be allowed to breed.