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Associate Justice PiT
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« on: December 10, 2009, 04:15:57 PM »

     It was competitive for a while, owing to the divisions in the left. I suppose you could say that the December scandal followed by Xahar's temporary banning led to the slow bleeding of the RPP at the hands of a united left-wing, accelerated by the disappearance of libertarians from public office. I suppose you could blame it on any number of things, but the past is in the past.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 04:38:48 PM »

     It was competitive for a while, owing to the divisions in the left. I suppose you could say that the December scandal followed by Xahar's temporary banning led to the slow bleeding of the RPP at the hands of a united left-wing, accelerated by the disappearance of libertarians from public office. I suppose you could blame it on any number of things, but the past is in the past.

Blame it on the RPP's idiotic support of the bgwah/Meeker ticket in February. Admit it. That was your guys' first mistake. Since then, you've got nothing right.


     Well I suspect that current state of affairs was essentially assured by that point. Once the left-wing united, there was no other result likely, if at all possible, in the long-term.
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 04:45:09 PM »

     It was competitive for a while, owing to the divisions in the left. I suppose you could say that the December scandal followed by Xahar's temporary banning led to the slow bleeding of the RPP at the hands of a united left-wing, accelerated by the disappearance of libertarians from public office. I suppose you could blame it on any number of things, but the past is in the past.

Blame it on the RPP's idiotic support of the bgwah/Meeker ticket in February. Admit it. That was your guys' first mistake. Since then, you've got nothing right.


     Well I suspect that current state of affairs was essentially assured by that point. Once the left-wing united, there was no other result likely, if at all possible, in the long-term.

The left-wing did not unite until after April.

     It had remained separated because of personal tensions between bgwah & Xahar. Once Xahar disappeared, I suspect the unification of the left-wing was likely only a matter of time.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 04:56:26 PM »

     It was competitive for a while, owing to the divisions in the left. I suppose you could say that the December scandal followed by Xahar's temporary banning led to the slow bleeding of the RPP at the hands of a united left-wing, accelerated by the disappearance of libertarians from public office. I suppose you could blame it on any number of things, but the past is in the past.

Blame it on the RPP's idiotic support of the bgwah/Meeker ticket in February. Admit it. That was your guys' first mistake. Since then, you've got nothing right.


     Well I suspect that current state of affairs was essentially assured by that point. Once the left-wing united, there was no other result likely, if at all possible, in the long-term.

The left-wing did not unite until after April.

     It had remained separated because of personal tensions between bgwah & Xahar. Once Xahar disappeared, I suspect the unification of the left-wing was likely only a matter of time.

One day Xahar will be strong again. I, however, am impatient.

     I don't doubt that he will be, though my point is that his disappearance removed one of the major barriers to the unification of the left-wing.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 05:03:09 PM »

    It was competitive for a while, owing to the divisions in the left. I suppose you could say that the December scandal followed by Xahar's temporary banning led to the slow bleeding of the RPP at the hands of a united left-wing, accelerated by the disappearance of libertarians from public office. I suppose you could blame it on any number of things, but the past is in the past.

Blame it on the RPP's idiotic support of the bgwah/Meeker ticket in February. Admit it. That was your guys' first mistake. Since then, you've got nothing right.


     Well I suspect that current state of affairs was essentially assured by that point. Once the left-wing united, there was no other result likely, if at all possible, in the long-term.

The left-wing did not unite until after April.

     It had remained separated because of personal tensions between bgwah & Xahar. Once Xahar disappeared, I suspect the unification of the left-wing was likely only a matter of time.

One day Xahar will be strong again. I, however, am impatient.

     I don't doubt that he will be, though my point is that his disappearance removed one of the major barriers to the unification of the left-wing.

If people are open to my strategy, we could have a center that is able to compete with the left. I don't know where that leaves you guys, though.

     I'm sure there are enough libertarians/libertarian-leaners to have a small party to that effect. We probably wouldn't hold many offices, but maybe we could get the major parties to compromise toward our position to try to get our second-preferences.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 05:34:39 PM »
« Edited: December 10, 2009, 05:37:05 PM by PiT (The Physicist) »

The RPP almost won in June because the DA voted for PiT. Not because PiT led a good campaign or was a good candidate, since he epic fails in both those regards.

It is my belief that the right should suck it up and support the center, in order to stop the left. Until they do that, all we will ever see is social democrats.

     Wasn't I the one who suggested afleitch/popular RPPer as a ticket for February? Tongue Problem is though that all of the popular RPPers are now popular DAers & popular independents, with the notable exception of Inks.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 05:43:15 PM »

The RPP almost won in June because the DA voted for PiT. Not because PiT led a good campaign or was a good candidate, since he epic fails in both those regards.

It is my belief that the right should suck it up and support the center, in order to stop the left. Until they do that, all we will ever see is social democrats.

     Wasn't I the one who suggested alfeitch/popular RPPer as a ticket for February? Problem is though that all of the popular RPPers are now popular DAers & popular independents, with the notable exception of Inks.

Funny. Didn't the RPP vote for a raging liberal simply because of afleitch and/or Verily? Twice?

Now you WANT afleitch?

lol

And a DA/RPP ticket wouldn't necessarily be competitive. You'd steal have to deal with wildcards like the LNF and ARC.

     I was a newbie who only viewed the center with paranoia back then. I came to deeply regret working for bgwah/meeker over Andrew2 as I learned more about the ways of Atlasia. Also, having a liberal conservative member of the DA at the top of the ticket is the best chance I can think of for getting the support of the RPP/DA/LNF/ARC. It's not a sure shot by any means, but it would still be the best chance of stopping the JCP juggernaut.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 05:50:09 PM »

The RPP almost won in June because the DA voted for PiT. Not because PiT led a good campaign or was a good candidate, since he epic fails in both those regards.

It is my belief that the right should suck it up and support the center, in order to stop the left. Until they do that, all we will ever see is social democrats.

     Wasn't I the one who suggested alfeitch/popular RPPer as a ticket for February? Problem is though that all of the popular RPPers are now popular DAers & popular independents, with the notable exception of Inks.

Funny. Didn't the RPP vote for a raging liberal simply because of afleitch and/or Verily? Twice?

Now you WANT afleitch?

lol

And a DA/RPP ticket wouldn't necessarily be competitive. You'd steal have to deal with wildcards like the LNF and ARC.

     I was a newbie who only viewed the center with paranoia back then. I came to deeply regret working for bgwah/meeker over Andrew2 as I learned more about the ways of Atlasia. Also, having a liberal conservative member of the DA at the top of the ticket is the best chance I can think of for getting the support of the RPP/DA/LNF/ARC. It's not a sure shot by any means, but it would still be the best chance of stopping the JCP juggernaut.

What would electing afleitch do to force a realignment?

     A ticket along the lines of afleitch/Inks would entail the right-wing party working to elect a centrist, as opposed to the short-lived role reversal back in June. You have been saying that the right-wing should work to support the center into power, or else be condemned to total irrelevancy under a permanent social democratic government, have you not?
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 06:00:28 PM »

The RPP almost won in June because the DA voted for PiT. Not because PiT led a good campaign or was a good candidate, since he epic fails in both those regards.

It is my belief that the right should suck it up and support the center, in order to stop the left. Until they do that, all we will ever see is social democrats.

     Wasn't I the one who suggested alfeitch/popular RPPer as a ticket for February? Problem is though that all of the popular RPPers are now popular DAers & popular independents, with the notable exception of Inks.

Funny. Didn't the RPP vote for a raging liberal simply because of afleitch and/or Verily? Twice?

Now you WANT afleitch?

lol

And a DA/RPP ticket wouldn't necessarily be competitive. You'd steal have to deal with wildcards like the LNF and ARC.

     I was a newbie who only viewed the center with paranoia back then. I came to deeply regret working for bgwah/meeker over Andrew2 as I learned more about the ways of Atlasia. Also, having a liberal conservative member of the DA at the top of the ticket is the best chance I can think of for getting the support of the RPP/DA/LNF/ARC. It's not a sure shot by any means, but it would still be the best chance of stopping the JCP juggernaut.

What would electing afleitch do to force a realignment?

     A ticket along the lines of afleitch/Inks would entail the right-wing party working to elect a centrist, as opposed to the short-lived role reversal back in June. You have been saying that the right-wing should work to support the center into power, or else be condemned to total irrelevancy under a permanent social democratic government, have you not?

Something like that. But how would that force a realignment? All it does is temporarily give that ticket a 40/60 shot at the Presidency based on artificial 'alliances' that create no long term coalition in opposition and ultimately will fail to accomplish anything because the JCP (if it were smart enough) could elect five Senators at the regional level in February.

     Well forcing a realignment would require a change in attitudes among certain people, burying the hatchet & working together to prevent total domination by a single party. The ticket would not do that in & of itself, but it would be useful in pushing the re-alignment.
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