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NOVA Green
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« on: July 17, 2019, 12:20:12 AM »

Wow!!!

So they suffered a major rejection in November '18 not only in the OR-GOV election, but also in the OR State House and Senate, and now they jump on the "Crazy Train"....

Here is a thread that I started which delves a bit into the OR State House/Senate Election results....

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=306731.msg6566888#msg6566888

Hard to see how this will somehow present the Oregon Republican Party as a "Moderate Republican Party" heading into the 2020 GE.

Something tells me that Trump's numbers have not improved in Oregon between the '16 GE and today.

Oregon Upstate/downstate politics in theory should have meant Buehler performing better than he actually did, especially considering the appeal the PDX burbs, and similar places in Salem, Corvallis, Eugene, Bend, and Medford....

This did not happen....

The OSR has become a pale shadow of a former powerful and influential Party which originated back in the days shortly before Lincoln was elected and Oregon became a State with a backdrop of the Abolitionist Movement that was heavily influential not only among the New England settlers in the Northern Part of the State, but even in Southern Oregon.

The proud party of Mark Hatfield, Vic Atiyeh and Tom Mccall---- all legendary Republican Oregonians remembered to the present day among many Native Oregonians, would literally rise from the dead, crawl out of their coffins, dig the earth and rise again to condemn the swamp of hate and deceit that the Oregon Republican Party has become in the era of Trump, and either run as a Democrat Zombie or an Oregon Independent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hatfield

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Atiyeh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_McCall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Republican_Party

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2019, 12:37:00 AM »


No. BOTH parties say and do atrocious things now. As i said earlier - that CoS of AOC is no better from my point of view, then Trump. It's good, that he is much less influential so far. But - who knows, what will be in the future? Generally - there is little, but lot of dirt, in US politics NOW....

Sorry, what does this have to do with Oregon?

We're preparing a vote to leave the Union on the 2020 Ballot, so not quite sure what the hell you are talking about???
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2019, 01:50:36 AM »


No. BOTH parties say and do atrocious things now. As i said earlier - that CoS of AOC is no better from my point of view, then Trump. It's good, that he is much less influential so far. But - who knows, what will be in the future? Generally - there is little, but lot of dirt, in US politics NOW....

Sorry, what does this have to do with Oregon?

We're preparing a vote to leave the Union on the 2020 Ballot, so not quite sure what the hell you are talking about???

When someone "corrected" my post - i was forced to give a "correction" too: while Oregon Republicans are, obviously, mad - they are not alone, and have a lot of Democrats as a "company". There are no "good sides" for me in present day American politics.

Ok--- fair enough smoltchanov.

Come out and visit Oregon and you will likely receive a warm welcome.

If you chose to spend time in Southern Oregon, I can give you a roadmap of communities that have suffered for over 40 Years at the hands of Democratic and Republican Presidential Administrations alike.....

These are proud parts of "Rural Oregon" where now logs are rarely milled in Southern Oregon, where the Union Mills are now strip malls, where our Forests are getting shipped via rail, even bypassing the few pulp mills now remaining, so that Oregon logs can come back from China in the form of Toilet Paper....

The backlash against the decline of the Forest Products Industry, which first massively materialized in the form of the Reagan Recession of the early '80s which decimated smaller family owned mills as part of a "forced austerity package" and created massive levels of support for DEM PRES candidates in '84 and '88 ended up being exploited by the Extreme Right Wing that had conquered the Oregon Republican Party in the late '80s/ early '90s.

Now the Environmentalists are the enemy causing the shutdown of the mills, while the Forest Product Industry had already mined our forests and "double-breasted" by shifting timber plantations to the Southern US, where a new wave of forests were coming of age....

Meanwhile, the Oregon Republican Party goes ape s**t crazy after the OCA movement took control of the party on a platform of extreme homophobia, gutting abortion rights, banning porn, combined with another crazy wing of the movement that supports extreme property rights and tax cuts (Mainly a tax give-away to large timber companies and profitable ranchers in Central and Eastern Oregon)....

Regardless, the political geography of the State has changed, and over the decades many and many Old Skool Oregon Republicans have become Independents, and then many others eventually Democrats.

So, not sure why you are posting on an OR thread, but please review the history of my state, and will be happy to welcome you to Oregon....
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2019, 10:19:24 PM »

Spoilt crybabies is what the Oregon GOP are.

I've just realised how immovable the party shares are in Oregon.

In the past 5 elections (since 1998), the winning Dem candidate has received 49-51% and the GOP losing candidate 43-48%
It's like Oregon is the GOP's Florida.

The Oregon Republican Party is "launching a recall effort" against Kate Brown in order to create publicity and political relevancy now that Democrats have complete control of the Legislative Chambers plus Governor.

'Pubs took massive hits in the OR State House & Senate races in '18 looking at the swings compared to previous elections (Although not necessarily losing OR-SEN seats in '18).

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--- OR State Senate District #10 Liberal Republican Jackie Winters who ran unopposed in '14 comes close to losing in Salem Oregon, after helping pass a criminal justice reform bill, which essentially decriminalized possession of certain personal quantities of hard drugs.

Unfortunately Jackie passed away on May 29th.... RIP FF.... who fought for the rights of all Oregonians as a Liberal Republican.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Winters

Here is the replacement slate:

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2019/06/14/nominees-selected-replace-jackie-winters-senate/1460465001/

This seat will now be open in the 2020 GE and a likely DEM pickup....

--- OR State Senate District #13 which is basically a safe 'Pub district including Keizer, rurals, and slivers of exurban PDX is only a +12 R district in '18.

--- OR State Senate District # 8 (Corvallis-Albany)   +19% D swing AND Dems only narrowly lost the Linn County portion of the district (!).

--- OR State Senate District # 11 (NE Salem, Woodburn, and rural Marion County)   +12% DEM swing

--- OR State Senate District #26 (Hood River, parts of Exurban Clackamas County) +13% DEM Swing

--- OR State Senate District #10 (Hillsboro, Forest Grove, etc)....     +10% Dem Swing

Now, time to look at swings in OR-State-House Elections (2 Yr term).

Dems gained (3) seats in the State House....

The last Republican Oregon House Districts in Metro Portland were eliminated in '18:

OR-HD-26 (SW Washington County---- Exurban / Suburban PDX) goes 51-47 Dem (+14% D Swing).

OR-HD-37 (Southern suburban /exurban Clackamas County) goes 53-47 Dem (+16% D Swing).

I can go through the list of swings between '16 > '18 in Oregon State House seats, including +14% D swing in OR-HD-39 (SE Clackamas County) +14% D Swing, OR-HD-35 (Tigard)  +10% D Swing, OR-HD-30 (NW Multnomah County)  +19% D Swing.

Metro Salem--- +9-16% D Swings ('16 >'18)....

Southern Oregon---- OR-HD-7 (Rural SE Lane and NE Douglas)   + 19% D swing in a heavily 'Pub district (!!!).

I could keep rolling the numbers, but basically the OR 'Pub Party took some major hits in 2018 in a Year where Trump wasn't even on the ballot.

The entire concept that the Oregon Republican Party is attempting a recall effort against Kate Brown who won by extremely large margins (Much more than I would have anticipated for an off-year), after they got their bottoms smacked hard in the '18 GE, where even beloved Jackie was taking a major hit in a fairly heavily DEM part of Salem....

Anyways.... a few maps and posts that I started on the OR-GE-'18 elections from another thread that I never really spent tons of time delving into precinct results....


https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=306731.msg6566888#msg6566888
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2019, 12:58:47 AM »

'Pubs took massive hits in the OR State House & Senate races in '18 looking at the swings compared to previous elections (Although not necessarily losing OR-SEN seats in '18).

I'd forgotten that Nova the Beaver State expert still rode among us.

What interests me is why these "massive swings" occured when Kate Brown fared virtually the same as Kitzhaber in 2010-2014, and worse than her 2016 election?

More downballot ticket splitting?

Incidentally, another question I've long wondered: how is OR-02 ("Western Idaho"), trending?

Sorry.... *grabs coat and hat and walks out the door*, is a weekday and my wife has the day off....

Love your Irish sarcasm, and reminds me of my Grandmother on my Fathers side....   Wink

The Oregon Democratic Party is an extremely decentralized political party compared to many other States in the Union....

Party control and selection of candidates is nothing like it is in places in the Northeast and Upper-Midwest.

Kitzhaber got shown the door and Kate inherited the position pending a GE scenario in a non-standard election....

Regardless of Oregonians opinions of Kate as GOV, the Republican brand was smashed among traditional Republican voters in the last refuges of Metro PDX, and even in similar communities in Salem, Eugene, Southern Oregon, and Central Oregon....

2018 OR GE in statewide election was more of a rejection of the National Republican brand than an endorsement of Kate (Who is the poster-girl for all of the rage of OR 'Pubs that don't have a grip on reality).

Anyways--- OR-02 is an entirely different story, but after OR gains an additional US-House seat in the 2020 Census, might become even more interesting than it has been. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2019, 01:39:14 AM »

So how did a thread about the collapse of the former strong and brave and bi-partisan Republican Party attempting a recall of a Democratic Governor turn into a thread about all sorts of other crap?

The Oregon Republican Party has become a pale and shallow rump of a former Moderate/Liberal 'Pub Party that not only dominated Oregon politics for decades with legendary names such as Mark Hatfield and Tom Mccall, and is now retreating to a party of cheaters and hoaxers who prey on the resentment of "Downstate Oregon Voters" using themes such as Guns, Gays, and God, not to mention the traditional Goldwater/Reagan Republican resentment on issues like "property rights" (Which in Oregon generally involve property rights of large timber companies with massive acreage of forests combined with the owners of the high rise real estate properties in Metro PDX).

Many downstate Republican Oregonians despite Kate Brown, whom they see as a "Gun-Seizing Socialist, extremist environmentalist, dominated by Metro Portland, slave to the Democratic Politicians in Salem".

Reality is that the Oregon Republican Part dug their own grave when they allowed the Oregon Citizens Alliance (OCA) to take over the Oregon Republican Party and the statewide brand, on a platform of homophobia and religious extremism....

Initially the strategy of blaming Urban Environmentalist for the Collapse of the Oregon Timber Industry appeared brilliant within the context of Oregon Politics.

Breed the resentment because of decades of over-cutting and non-sustainable forest practices.

Big timber companies such as Georgia-Pacific , Weyerhaeuser, Louisiania-Pacific, had long been shifting operations to the Southeast and Appalachia after raping the forests of the PacNW.

The Millworkers of Oregon saw the writing on the wall, but within "logging country" and among small family owned mills the argument that "radical environmentalists" were the cause of the decline of the Oregon Timber Industry created an argument that many downstate Oregon Republicans exploited back in the late '80s to the mid '90s.....

Lies are are lies.... Spotted Owls don't nest outside of Walmart parking lots like Denny Smith claimed back in '90 (OR-CD-05 (R) )....

Decline of $$$ to local small town and rural downstate Oregon Communities because of the Timber compensation program that Bill Clinton approved under "Option 9" (Least favorable from the Oregon Environmentalist perspective) expired. Meanwhile Oregon changes it's provision of resourcing for Ed so it's not based upon property taxes and school districts so that HS students in places like Sweet Home and Cottage Grove can have PCs in the classroom....

https://oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/timber_industry/#.XTVUG-hKjIU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana-Pacific

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Citizens_Alliance

Current crop of OR-Pubs are a bunch of nutters....

They got wiped out in Metro PSX in '18.... massive swings in Metro Salem....

Even parts of Southern and Eastern Oregon should be giant red flags for Oregon Republicans....

Instead they are like Ostriches, bury head in sand, stick with the 'Pub leader, support crazy policies on a wide variety of issues, and somehow don't understand why the vast majority of Oregonians don't subscribe to their political positions....

Next tactic.... "Lets recall Kate Brown"   (Why?).   

I was actually surprised Kate won by the margin she did in '18, considering what I know about Oregon politics....

IDK why the OR Pubs are trying this stunt, but it's not going to work.... Whatever Crystal Meth / Sativa or Indica Mix they have in their Blunts it's not going to play well in Oregon, where we are a State that prides ourselves on clean politics....

Please---- anyone and everyone that is rambling on this thread bcs of ntl politics don't post unless you have something to say about Oregon politics....

50% of the Posts on this thread are crap and irrelevant to anything involving Oregon Politics.... so take your s**t and debates elsewhere unless you have something real to say about my home state of 40+ yrs....
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