2nd DEM Debate Thread: July 30 & 31, Detroit (MI), CNN

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I'm ok with trading out Ryan, Williamson, or Delaney for Bullock. Mainly because that's the trio that annoyed me the most in the first debate.

are you coming for marianne rn? girlfriend you are so on

My wife bought her book right after the debate, but not to support her run for President (Although she did mix it up a bit from what we are used to seeing in these formats).

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Did Warren just say the Green New Deal would create 1.2 Million new jobs in Michigan, or did I mishear?

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Sanders: "Please tell me that we cannot take on the fossil fuel industry".....

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What the hell is “environmental racism”? I didn’t even pay attention to the other things she called racist because I was too busy trying to piece together that one statement.

It was a huge thing back in the 1990s and there were multiple books and activist projects focusing on where highest levels of air/water pollution were based with consequently much higher rates of certain types of deaths etc than the national average....

Location, location, location....

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Williamson: Yes to Reparations....

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At least we don't have any candidates comparing their size of you know what.

Well there will obviously be some big boots to fill post-Trump.....

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Warren: Good critique of MNC shifting mfg jobs overseas and brief attempt to discuss "Race to the Bottom" global capital critique.....

Delaney: Attacks Warren.

* Incoherent wrangling *

Warren: American. Workers should have stake in negotiating trade deals

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BETO: The Globalist, big visions.

Sanders: Only one here who Voted against NAFTA, MFN with China, and TPP.

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I thought this sh**t ended at 10 lol.  We got another hour

Me too, got off work and turned it on a 6 PST, and it looked like it had started 30 Min or an hour earlier....

Wouldn't call it a *sheet*, but if you think so, you could always turn it off...

Never did that with the PUB primary debates in '08 / '12 however, because political junkie and all that....

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Wow, I didn't know this, but sure enough the internet has confirmed it ...

Guard and Reserve units made up about 45 percent of the total force sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, and received about 18.4 percent of the casualties. With hundreds of thousands of men and women having served, the National Guard has more than earned a place of remembrance for its part in the 14 year war.

I lost a friend in the Oregon National Guard in Iraq 2.0 in combat.   

The States with the best rated Ntl Guard Units tended to be preferred (Oregon was considered one of the best in the Country) and suffered some of the highest % of casualties under Rumsfeld's policies.

But I digress....

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Tim Ryan just said "Nicaragua, Guatemala, and El Salvador" in reference to the Golden Triangle countries when the Golden Triangle countries are Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.

Is this the end of the Tim Ryan campaign?

I don’t think even 10% of Americans know what the golden triangle countries are.

Anybody who served in Vietnam does.....

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Didn’t watch debate but my dad said Bullock was one of the winners

Sure you can find a way to watch it somewhere even if you didn't DVR, suspect it will be repeated although you might need to set a DVR if it's too late for you, but at least you are on PST.

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Bullock going full General Ripper is an unexpected but quite fun twist.

Nice catch and Dr. Strangelove reference....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove

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Why is this three hours?

The suffering n e v e r    e n d s.

*** I can't shut my eyes but I keep watching anyways ***

We all share the same addiction.....

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Bullock rebounding right now with this closing statement after that really strange foreign policy answer.

Like why is a Montana Democrat advocating for nukes?

Remnant John Birch Society influences in some remote cabins in the Rockies?

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Buttigieg: Good News / Bad News ---- Prepared for closing statements that might be a bit generic, but still inspiring sounding.

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Warren Closing: Who does Opportunity go to? Which side for decades has been Gvt been on?

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Sanders: Full blown assault on Trump plus how to transform this country and the working class of America that has been decimated for 40 Years....

Big Pharma plan.....

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Sanders/Warren pact survives, backing each other up at various times tonight.....

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Does Bernie have a staffer and volunteer shortage?

Don't believe he has a volunteer shortage (but it's still a bit too early for Volunteer time expect possibly for creating focal points in a few early caucus/primary states other than building regional/county contact lists), but he did lose some of '16 staffers to other campaigns or private sector jobs if I recall.

There was also a bit of a thing with a Labor struggle among his Union staffers involving compensation levels that recently became a bit of thing just a few weeks back.

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Will people actually send money to Williamson after this debate?

We bought her book after the first debate: " Politics of Love".

I would imagine sales should increase after this debate.

In terms of conventional campaign contributions, likely not so much but hey....

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Come on Tulsi on Afghanistan......

"For too long political leaders arbitrating foreign policy from ivory towers in Washington.... Bring our troops home"

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Tulsi: "War in Iraq the great betrayal of the American people.... joined the Military after 9/11.... our current president is supporting in Al Qaeda"..

Bill deBlasio tries to jump in on Iran.... caught off.

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"Moscow Mitch" makes a comeback----- YES!!!!

Mayor Bill---- thanks for bringing that up and it brought down the House....

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"Moscow Mitch"
Love it.

It's becoming a thing, especially since it clearly gets under McConnell's skin, as well as among voters within the great state of Kentucky, and he even addressed the Moniker on the Senate floor the other day!

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/us/politics/moscow-mitch-mcconnell.html

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/455570-kentucky-democrats-sell-moscow-mitch-gear-after-mcconnell


Republican MSNBC commentator Joe Scarborough attracted McConnell's ire on Monday Morning where he used the term "Moscow Mitch" (16) times.

https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/joe-says-moscow-mitch-blocking-election-security-is-unamerican-65015365879