Absolutely bizarre that BRTD now has an obsession with the Communist Party of Greece....
Apparently he is unaware of the history of Europe under the resistance against Fascism and Nazi occupation, where the Communists were actually the Freedom Fighters that actually stayed and fought back, instead of fleeing to their comfortable villas elsewhere in "Free Europe"....
So by this standard, the legacy Communist parties of France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal are now also a bunch of murderous thugs, as opposed to the collaborators and Fascists within these respective countries?
It's extremely easy to create a fake more equivalency using the political standards and values of 2016 America without any understand or realization of the historical context of the countries and origins of the political Left, and why there are still vestiges of the Euro-Communist movement of the '50s-70s...
Jesus Christus.... Greece was a Fascist dictatorship at the time when my mother and father were marching against the Vietnam war out of college in the late '60s....
Typical BRTD epic fail post.....
First of all, LOL at the idea I don't know anything of communist resistance in WWII.
Second of all that's literally the same type of argument Oldiesfreak makes.
Third of all for not criticizing fascists I mentioned Golden Dawn in that very post.
And fourthly LOL at the KKE being "Eurocommunist". As noted they are actual Stalinists.
1.) My apologies for implying that you are unaware of the history of the KKE and the tens of thousands of lives lost in resistance against Fascism/Nazism and the local Fascist collaborators. Obviously then, you are also aware that after the Liberation of Greece in '44, that the US and UK opposed free elections in Greece, and British troops opened fire on a mass protest in Athens that triggered the Greek Civil War in December of '44.
The aftermath of the Greek Civil War, was extreme repression of the Left, including over 3,000 murders of Communist Party members, 100,000 people forced into detention centers or exile, and massive rape, physical and property violence.
Of course, as a freedom loving individual, you no doubt support the critical role that the KKE played in the resistance against the military Junta of '67 installed by the same puppet dictator that the Brits and CIA installed under a reign of bloodshed back in '44....
Not sure if have ever watched the movie "Z", but if so I would certainly recommend it, since apparently you are a keen follower of Greek Politics and History.
2.) Haven't seen OldiesFreak post on this thread, so I'll pass and check on his posts maybe on the International Elections thread, since I have no comment nor involvement in that debate to date.
3.) I don't believe I ever said anything about you "not criticizing Fascists", what I did say was a false moral equivalency between Neo-Nazi and Fascist street gangs murdering and assaulting people at will in the cities, towns, villages, and rural areas of Greece (With a nod-nod wink-wink from their Fascist political overlords), versus a political party that gave up the armed struggle and resistance as part of the post Junta Democratic era.... despite that hundreds of thousands of KKE party members faced systematic discrimination in employment, criminal records not lifted, etc until 1989!!!!
4.) The PCF and PCI in France and Italy respectively were considered Euro-Communist in the 1970s, despite both political parties still technically having "Marxism-Leninism" as part of their party platforms. Although the PCI did split off earlier from taking their dictates from Moscow and the Kremlin, the PCF was a "Stalinist" Party and even entertained Erich Honecker a short period of time before the Berlin Wall collapsed as a result of mass demonstrations in Leipzig, and one of my favorite neighborhoods in Berlin, Prenzlauer Berg, where I lived for four months shortly after the fall of the Berlin wall.
It's easy to sling around terms like "Stalinist" and "Marxist-Leninist", and although the KKE is not necessarily "reconstructed Communists" of the PCI late '80s variety or the PCF of the early '90s, you are really setting up a strawman using emotionally loaded terms for maximum rhetorical effects, but dude your original posting title set it up that way....
For the record, I have always found you an extremely interesting and versatile poster over the past eight years I have been on the Forum, so not a hater, but got to call out what I see especially if it involves somehow a comparison between legitimate Left-Wing political parties with a long history of fighting back against Fascism and a political party that that is part of the new Euro-Fascist "stealth movement" to mainstream Fascist ideology. .
Although you didn't mention it, I'm sure we both agree that the KKE's party platform on LGBT issues is backwards, opposition to the Civil Rights Partnership bill proposed by SYRIZA, but just like the Democratic Party in the United State only a few years back, this will undoubtedly change in the very near future, as younger activists defect to alternative Left-Wing parties and convince their aging parents and grandparents that really this is the right thing to do, and that political ideology is more than just based on economic doctrine but also the New Social Movements are part of a comprehensive platform in coalition with other political parties to move forward on social & economic policy based upon the concept of "Peace, Freedom, and Equality".
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