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Question: Check all that apply:
#1
I believe the world's average temperatures are getting warmer
 
#2
I believe that the warming patterns now are unprecedented in the historical record
 
#3
I believe that this warming is caused by an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere
 
#4
I believe that this increase in CO2 is caused by human industry
 
#5
At best, we have until 2050 to remedy this crisis
 
#6
At best, we only have 12 years before we do irreparable damage to our planet
 
#7
It's too late for us to fix this; our solutions now have to focus on mitigating the severity of climate change
 
#8
This problem cannot be solved solely through innovation; we need to reduce our personal consumption
 
#9
We need carbon taxes and caps on emissions
 
#10
We need subsidies to renewable energies like wind and solar
 
#11
Nuclear energy should be our prime focus, as it is the energy source of the future
 
#12
Small changes aren't enough; we need to completely reform our economy from the ground up
 
#13
Limiting population growth in western countries is an important part of the path forward
 
#14
Limiting population growth in developing nations is an important part of the path forward
 
#15
I support the Green New Deal and would like to see it implemented as policy
 
#16
We should be depopulating areas at sea level and establishing funds to help people in these regions relocate
 
#17
We need to cease oil production immediately
 
#18
We need to cease coal production immediately
 
#19
Plane travel should become far less common
 
#20
To decrease agricultural emissions, we should encourage vegetarian diets
 
#21
Insects are the food of the future; they provide protein and harvesting them is cheap and energy efficient
 
#22
We should be developing technology to remove CO2 from the atmosphere
 
#23
Personal automobiles should be phased out in favor of cleaner public transport
 
#24
Oil companies should be held legally culpable for the damage they've done to the planet
 
#25
None of the above
 
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NeverAgainsSock
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« on: September 25, 2019, 09:34:57 AM »

❌ #20   To decrease agricultural emissions, we should encourage vegetarian diets         Factory farming is bad, but the carbon footprint of livestock is horribly overstated by those who don't understand the relevant stocks and flows.

I agree with you on every other one. I just am not sure I get this one. Deforestation & agricultural land conversion, energy costs to feed vast ruminant populations (which is highly inefficient over a plant-based diet), methane emissions from such ruminants (mostly cattle), transportation energy, etc. It seems to be a major focus of multiple studies of agricultural impact on climate (Drawdown, WRI, UNFAO).

Could you explain your thought process here?
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NeverAgainsSock
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2019, 03:07:47 PM »

❌ #20   To decrease agricultural emissions, we should encourage vegetarian diets         Factory farming is bad, but the carbon footprint of livestock is horribly overstated by those who don't understand the relevant stocks and flows.

I agree with you on every other one. I just am not sure I get this one. Deforestation & agricultural land conversion, energy costs to feed vast ruminant populations (which is highly inefficient over a plant-based diet), methane emissions from such ruminants (mostly cattle), transportation energy, etc. It seems to be a major focus of multiple studies of agricultural impact on climate (Drawdown, WRI, UNFAO).

Could you explain your thought process here?

Land degradation is a real concern, but methane breaks down much more quickly than carbon dioxide. Moreover, energy and resource costs aren't nearly so bad once you account for what gets recycled in even modestly sustainable livestock operations.

I eat a mostly vegetarian diet and would politely encourage anyone else to do the same for environmental, humane, and health reasons, but the idea that livestock are an important driver of climate change compared to fossil fuel emissions just gets too little scrutiny.

1 - Methane. You are right, it takes about 12 years for methane to break down which is less than the 20-200 year impact of CO2. However, a couple of big things: A. Methane has a climatic impact of any methane molecule released today is 100 times more heat-trapping than a molecule of carbon dioxide B. Even if we had 12 years to wait (we don't) until all the methane we emit today is gone, WE KEEP EMITTING IT AND MORE EACH YEAR! On a pretty large scale too!
2 - Energy Recycling Farms doesn't make it so bad for the climate. Well, the net impact is. According to the UN FAO,animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of the total release of greenhouse gases worldwide and livestock account for an estimated 9% of global CO2  emissions, estimated 35-40% of global Methane emissions and 65% of NO2 emissions. If there are some sustainable farms that don't have a net-negative climate impact, please let me know. I'd love to check them out.
3 - Agriculture getting too much attention. Project Drawdown estimates that if just half the world reduced their meat intake to 57g of meat a day - about a pound a week - there would be a net decrease in emissions of 66.5 gigatons of CO2 (and CO2 equivalents) by 2050 - per year that's 2.217 Gigatons a year (or the equivalent of UK, France, Germany, Italy, and Canada COMBINED). And that's just meat CONSUMPTION, not even the vast inefficiencies in agriculture & livestock that make it such a producer of GHGs.

If you're interested, I would highly recommend reading the WRI Sustainable Food Futures report on this issue. Fascinating stuff.
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