Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

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I’m not sure about this one.

I’d prefer a safer option like Klobuchar to appeal to the midwest.

A VP choice won’t add appeal to a region. Ask Paul Ryan, John Edwards, and Jack Kemp

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Boom.

https://twitter.com/senduckworth/status/1280313123887603712?s=21

Finally, a Democrat with the gall to go hard. I like her more and more

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Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

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Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Yep. Warren, Rice and to a lesser extent Harris will absolutely blow up FOX News on a nightly basis.

I could be wrong here but Harris should be able to swipe away any questions raised about her record as an attorney in the public space, Susan Rice really only has Benghazi and that wasn't her fault and I honestly think it would backfire on the GOP trying to harp on Benghazi, because no one cares about that anymore and for Warren, I think she would embrace the fight that the GOP would try to slap to her. Though at this point I think Biden picks a woman of color so you're down to Harris, Rice, Duckworth, Demings & Grisham really. I'm sure you could still float the Abrams & Bass' of the world but I think they could possibly snag an Administration job.

Harris's problem is the perception of her as only caring about being president for the sake of being president. Duckworth gives off no such vibe. Also, Republicans have tried to tie every Democrat for the past 50 years to the extremists in places like San Francisco, and while it might not stick as well to Biden, the fact that he's an 80 year old dude a heartbeat away from giving a San Franciscan the presidency could scare people if Harris is the one taking the reigns. People might not think such voters exist that would be open to voting Democratic, but they do.

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Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Can you elaborate on that, because saying “for obvious reasons” doesn’t make there be reasons.

Warren is already hated and viliefied by a huge chunk of the country no thanks in part to her Native American ancestry scandal, Harris is the walking caricature of everything Fox News has been portraying Democrats as for the past 40 years, and Susan Rice’s involvement in Benghazi (yet another highly polarizing event) makes it easy for large swaths of the country to hate her

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Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Can you elaborate on that, because saying “for obvious reasons” doesn’t make there be reasons.

Warren is already hated and viliefied by a huge chunk of the country no thanks in part to her Native American ancestry scandal, Harris is the walking caricature of everything Fox News has been portraying Democrats as for the past 40 years, and Susan Rice’s involvement in Benghazi (yet another highly polarizing event) makes it easy for large swaths of the country to hate her

A stretch but ok.

It’s funny how Kamala is this far left, cancel culture, men are trash, all white people should repent for slavery liberal and tough on crime, corporate, centrist, status quo empty suit simultaneously.

I’m just saying what no one else seems to want to acknowledge on here: Kamala Harris will be hurt by sexism and racism more than most other women on this list.

“She’s from San Francisco, she isn’t one of you!”
“Another coastal elitist”
“She has no kids and married for money”
“She’s a narcissist who tried to paint herself as the female Obama”

That’s not even getting into what Fox and Trump will try to do to further dog whistle

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Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Can you elaborate on that, because saying “for obvious reasons” doesn’t make there be reasons.

Warren is already hated and viliefied by a huge chunk of the country no thanks in part to her Native American ancestry scandal, Harris is the walking caricature of everything Fox News has been portraying Democrats as for the past 40 years, and Susan Rice’s involvement in Benghazi (yet another highly polarizing event) makes it easy for large swaths of the country to hate her

A stretch but ok.

It’s funny how Kamala is this far left, cancel culture, men are trash, all white people should repent for slavery liberal and tough on crime, corporate, centrist, status quo empty suit simultaneously.

I’m just saying what no one else seems to want to acknowledge on here: Kamala Harris will be hurt by sexism and racism more than most other women on this list.

“She’s from San Francisco, she isn’t one of you!”
“Another coastal elitist”
“She has no kids and married for money”
“She’s a narcissist who tried to paint herself as the female Obama”

That’s not even getting into what Fox and Trump will try to do to further dog whistle

So Democrats should be scared about nominating anyone from California because of what some morons think? And Democrats should never nominate a Black woman because of what some racists/sexists think?

Why even choose a non-White woman then? Biden should just choose between Baldwin, Whitmer & Warren.

I’m not saying they can’t, because they obviously can. I’m saying what should be obvious is that Republicans will do everything they can to try to paint Harris as “out of touch” with “real Americans©️“ and whether we as Democrats want to acknowledge it or not,  that is a lot easier for them to do running against someone like Harris compared to someone like Duckworth or Abrams. Notice how I’ve been an advocate of Abrams in the past for the VP nod.

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Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Can you elaborate on that, because saying “for obvious reasons” doesn’t make there be reasons.

Warren is already hated and viliefied by a huge chunk of the country no thanks in part to her Native American ancestry scandal, Harris is the walking caricature of everything Fox News has been portraying Democrats as for the past 40 years, and Susan Rice’s involvement in Benghazi (yet another highly polarizing event) makes it easy for large swaths of the country to hate her

A stretch but ok.

It’s funny how Kamala is this far left, cancel culture, men are trash, all white people should repent for slavery liberal and tough on crime, corporate, centrist, status quo empty suit simultaneously.

I’m just saying what no one else seems to want to acknowledge on here: Kamala Harris will be hurt by sexism and racism more than most other women on this list.

“She’s from San Francisco, she isn’t one of you!”
“Another coastal elitist”
“She has no kids and married for money”
“She’s a narcissist who tried to paint herself as the female Obama”

That’s not even getting into what Fox and Trump will try to do to further dog whistle

So Democrats should be scared about nominating anyone from California because of what some morons think? And Democrats should never nominate a Black woman because of what some racists/sexists think?

Why even choose a non-White woman then? Biden should just choose between Baldwin, Whitmer & Warren.

I’m not saying they can’t, because they obviously can. I’m saying what should be obvious is that Republicans will do everything they can to try to paint Harris as “out of touch” with “real Americans©️“ and whether we as Democrats want to acknowledge it or not,  that is a lot easier for them to do running against someone like Harris compared to someone like Duckworth or Abrams. Notice how I’ve been an advocate of Abrams in the past for the VP nod.

Rice I'd say the easiest to paint out of touch.

No doubt, but even beyond Trump, it’s important to keep in mind that whoever Biden chooses has a strong likelihood of being the Democratic nominee in 2024 as well. I imagine it’s much harder to get half the country to viscerally hate a double amputee compared to San Franciscan, but that’s my guess

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This is the point right here. "San Francisco Radical" and "Sleeping with willie brown to get a job" all sound like ridiculous Fox News smears that will work with Fox News viewers and.... no one else. No one in the general public who has a brain has time for stupid non-event scandals anymore IMO, given the current environment with the virus.

Yeah, it will be like 2008 when the McCain campaign was talking about Ayers and Wright in the middle of a global economic meltdown.

Yeah, I think if this was a normal cycle that little stuff from say, Harris's past would matter and may generate bigger headlines, but considering in her case, most of her stuff has been litigated in the public already last year, and now with the virus, something needs to be *big* for it to matter to the general public.

I mean, even look at Tara Reade. Aside from the fact that it was a faulty allegation, it still wasn't a *massive* story at any point of it, IMO. It made news, but not nearly as big as it would have if not for the virus. Fox will start non-stop smears of whoever the VP is and keep going 24/7 till November. But that will be an echo chamber and everyone else will be dealing with what really matters.

So with that being said, I just don't think anyone should really get too wound up about particular smears for anyone. However, I will say though that I think Rice has the most liability in that department, b/c relitigating Benghazi and the Obama admin has the most *chance* (albeit still small) of gaining larger traction, especially among moderate voters

Yeah, I still think if you are going for the rare FDR, Eisenhower, Reagan landslide that Duckworth is the way to accomplish this. This is not a turn out the base to win Florida by 0.5% type of election despite what the activists think.

Exactly. No VP pick is going to “juice” turnout more in this election, lmao. The Donald is doing that all by himself for both parties.

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I think the promise to pick a woman might be a mistake cause honestly there are so many better choices that are men. And the women who would be good picks he clearly doesn’t want to pick.

Rice - Good in office but awful campaigner
Harris - She seems good but there’s baggage there
Warren - Too polarizing. Would scare off moderate GOP voters
Duckworth: I think this would be a disaster. They’re looking at the combat vet angle and nothing else.

I’m convinced Whitner would be the best choice but hey what do I know

If there's a critical mistake, it's this. There are plenty of women who could be strong VP candidates but most aren't being considered. I don't see how this problem would be much better if men were also in the mix.

Which women do you want him to pick that he isn't considering?

I don't know who he isn't considering, but the apparent non-vetting of Hilda Solis seems like a mistake and we don't hear much about e.g. Baldwin compared to Demings. I should revise my point - it's not that the best candidates aren't being considered, but that it seems they aren't being considered nearly as seriously as some really flawed ones.

Problem with Baldwin is the way the Senate is set up. We can't afford to lose her seat. If her seat wasn't as crucial she'd be my #1 choice.

Solis is another one I don't get why they're not looking at closer if people like Demings are though. Minority working-class female who's on the progressive side on the party? That sounds like a great fit.

Because other people offer more. MLG, Duckworth and Harris, to name a few.

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I think the promise to pick a woman might be a mistake cause honestly there are so many better choices that are men. And the women who would be good picks he clearly doesn’t want to pick.

Rice - Good in office but awful campaigner
Harris - She seems good but there’s baggage there
Warren - Too polarizing. Would scare off moderate GOP voters
Duckworth: I think this would be a disaster. They’re looking at the combat vet angle and nothing else.

I’m convinced Whitner would be the best choice but hey what do I know

Not much, to be honest. You predicted Republicans keeping the House in 2018 despite all the evidence to the contrary, and even most Republicans acknowledged it was a likely loss.

You're takes here are bad too. Another man on the Democratic ticket would have left a bad taste in a lot of Democrats' mouths, fairly or not. You're Duckworth take is garbage too, as shown in the past week with her positive media earned with her Tucker Carlson feud.

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I’d have Duckworth as high as anyone at this stage

I have a feeling she's going to be the pick. She endorsed Biden before her state actually voted and beat most other VP options in it. Harris seems too "inevitable" and inevitable picks more often than not seem to get passed over (Bayh, Romney, Portman). Kaine got it in 2016 basically out of default since there were no other real choices Clinton could choose without compromising a Senate seat at the time, and Pence got it because literally no one besides Christie, Pence, and Gingrich wanted the job.

There's also the fact that the debate blindside is probably not being weighed appropriately enough in the rankings. The juxtaposition between ticket mates is never a good look. Let alone the fact that Jill Biden is still apparently holding a grudge against Harris for that.

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You need to seriously chill tf out accusing people of having hate boners for the crime of not preferring Harris as VP.

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This makes me think it's Harris. I feel like you know when the hit pieces start coming out that she's either a lock or nearly there.

At the same time, though, is this whole thing a joke? Dodd wanted "remorse" from Harris? Her answer was correct - this is politics. Is she supposed to somberly apologize for politics? There's no way these people are this naive??

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/kamala-harris-biden-vp-381829

I have read elsewhere too that Dodd doesn't like Harris and that he was the one behind the Politico piece that called Bass the anti-Harris.

Yeah, clearly the fact that he leaked a part of her interview shows that he's got some vendetta against her. The Bass thing makes sense since he's been trying to elevate her apparently.

Here is a more sinister theory: Biden wants to pick Rice. But he knows that Harris is much more popular among the Democratic establishment, and voters. So he tries to undermine her by putting his senate pal Chris Dodd to sh**t-talk her and smooth the way for Rice.

If the campaign does place a premium on “do no harm” then Rice would be out automatically

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‘It's absolutely serious’: Susan Rice vaults to the top of the VP heap

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/susan-rice-top-biden-vice-president-383026

If she’s the pick I’ll vomit