Biden's campaign strongest since Obama 08?

[roxas11]

I always felt like Obama 2012 campaign was way more impressive to me than his first.  

In 2008 Obama had the wind at his back and everything was going in his direction by the time most Americans voted on election day. Im not saying that it was not an amazing victory but I truly believe any Dem could have won that year.

Now 2012 is different and I think that any other Dem besides Obama would have lost that election. in 2012 Americans had at that point spent years dealing with a painfully slow recovery.
obama was now facing Americans who where understandably upset at the pace of the recovery and he was also dealing with a Republican party who was wiling to do whatever it took to get him out of there.

After all Mitch McConnell famously said this 2 years before the election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gM-1HbK4qU

They even tried to blame him for the overall recession and pretended that it started under him instead of bush yet despite all of that and 1 poor first debate by Obama

He defied all the laws of political gravity by being the first president since FDR to get reelected when unemployment was over 7.7 percent. Biden campaign is so far stronger than Hillary's but I don't think think it tops 2012.

[roxas11]

Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

Huh? Obama's 2012 Campaign was much better then his 2008, they successfully painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat early and it stuck. What does the RNC/Trump attack Biden on? China, they've already spent millions on ads to attach him to Biden and they haven't been effective, while Biden/Biden allied PACs have been hammering Trump on everything from Healthcare to China very effectively.

Dude. People aren't focused on politics yet. Wait till Aug and Sept and wait till the economy starts coming back this summer. By the RNC Trump will have a slight lead. Trust me.

Trumps own Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell just said yesterday that he thinks the US economy will not recover until late 2021.....

[roxas11]

Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

Huh? Obama's 2012 Campaign was much better then his 2008, they successfully painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat early and it stuck. What does the RNC/Trump attack Biden on? China, they've already spent millions on ads to attach him to Biden and they haven't been effective, while Biden/Biden allied PACs have been hammering Trump on everything from Healthcare to China very effectively.

Dude. People aren't focused on politics yet. Wait till Aug and Sept and wait till the economy starts coming back this summer. By the RNC Trump will have a slight lead. Trust me.

Trumps own Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell just said yesterday that he thinks the US economy will not recover until late 2021.....

Full recovery. It can't get worse than now. Business is gradually re-opening.

you are right It cant get worse but CBO is projecting it to be a while before things truly get better

this is what CBO is currently projecting for 2020 and 2021



so even if Business gradually re-open as you say
Unemployment will still be over 11 percent by the end of the year

[roxas11]

I've been reading through this thread, and I want to make something clear about 2008.

Republicans were TOAST that year. They were pretty toast since 2006 (look at the midterms), but everybody was sick of Bush by 08. Bill Richardson would've been President had he won the Dem nomination. Not saying Obama was not a masterful politician (he was), but there's no circumstance that could've saved McCain that year. None.

There's a reason Obama used "Change" as his campaign motto, because people were sick of the direction of the country under Republican leadership, and wanted something entirely different.

The Dems could have nominated Bill Cosby
Hired Harvey Weinstein to be his campaign manger and made R Kelly his VP
and they still would have won in 2008 lol