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Author Topic: Democrats and Left Leaning Posters: If National GOP was more like the Atlas GOP  (Read 2011 times)
muon2
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« on: August 30, 2019, 05:18:29 PM »

Say the National GOP was more like blue avatars on here , would you be more likely to vote for them or not

Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee might well be a contender, although naturally if he were running to represent me in the Federal Government or Oregon State Government, naturally a much more extensive "vetting" of his policy positions over the years might be required. Wink

Muon2 would certainly be up there in my book, but similar caveat required. Wink

There is absolutely no question that a large majority of 'Pub avatars on Atlas tend to represent much more thoughtful and progressive Republican positions on a wide variety of policy positions, (although many take the Reagan 12th commandment way to seriously when calling out fellow travelers including some unneeded passes on Trump's behavior and policy initiatives over the years).

That being said as more of "Left Leaner" than a "Dem" there are a few items that would need to be essential to consider an Atlas 'Pub / 'Indy to represent me in elected office:

1.) Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy---- no elective wars overseas (Iraq 2.0, Central America '80s, Vietnam/ Cambodia '68+).

2.) Support for US and Global Labor and Environmental Rights

3.) Opposition to unfair trade policies that promote a "race to the bottom", but still recognize a role that international trade has in terms of a "rising tide lifts...."

4.) Opposition to the Social Conservative Movement's attempts to roll-back the gains that the LGBTQ and Women's Movements have made over the past 50 Years.

5.) Support for a Progressive taxation policy, as opposed to a Regressive taxation policy, with the added revenue directly supporting programs that have been gutted over the past 40 years at Federal  and State levels.... (There are a ton of such programs).

6.) 100% rejection of racism and xenophobia as an attempt to cynically exploit resentments against minority populations within the United States because of race, religion, ethnicity, and country of origin.

7.) Support for some type of Universal Health Care system that expands financial access leveraging existing Federal programs that both lower costs, and provide a high level of service.

These are just a few items on my wish list....

Now, I have an advantage living in Oregon in that most Democrats running will likely be more competitive on these issues than hardly any Republican likely to be elected (Although there were a few back in the late '80s / early '90s that generally fit the #1-#7 above).

Since my name was used in debate I'd like to respond.

First, RI is largely correct. A generally left-leaning voter should not expect better than 50% alignment with someone who is associated with the Pubs. I found that to be as true in the 1980s as it is today. The difference today is that it is getting harder to find someone that even approaches 50% agreement given the polarized environment of the primary (I'm a fan of top-two jungle ballots for that reason). I found that a lot of voters these days claim they want a politician that reaches across the aisle, but don't back that with support for the same in the primary.

Without going into all the points above, I'm curious about #7. Coming from OR, I suspect you might know of Wyden's Healthy Americans Act from 2007. It is a true universal plan that had bipartisan support at the end on Ws term. But it is modeled on a multipayer system like Germany as opposed to single payer. I have posted a number of times in favor, but after Obamacare was passed, I've heard no Dems in support.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2019, 08:39:24 PM »

95% of Atlas Rs can be put in one of three categories, all of which are terrible:

1. Trump wannabes
2. Religious fundamentalists
3. Robotic hacks

So no, I wouldn't be more likely to vote for them compared to Trump's GOP. Less likely even if they're like #2.

I don't think I fit any of those. Does that put me in the other 5%? Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2019, 09:19:22 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2019, 09:58:30 PM by muon2 »

95% of Atlas Rs can be put in one of three categories, all of which are terrible:

1. Trump wannabes
2. Religious fundamentalists
3. Robotic hacks

So no, I wouldn't be more likely to vote for them compared to Trump's GOP. Less likely even if they're like #2.
I don't think I fit any of those. Does that put me in the other 5%? Smiley
Yeah you're cool in my book. Then again I don't really know what your views are, I just know you like travelling a lot.

Thanks. You now know my view on universal health care, too. I spent 6 years as the cochair of the Green Caucus in IL. On voter access I was the architect of Automatic Voter Registration in IL. In 2011 I worked with both MALDEF and the Ohio Black Legislative Caucus on fair redistricting. Illiniwek can tell you about Dems supporting me despite my party.
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