2020 Labour Leadership Election

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A full lenght Parliament will also allow Labour to nurture newcomers to their briefs and rebuild a front bench, which wasn't possible in the last years (which was a permanent state of panic).

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Nandy has also formally announced. Did so in her constituency's local paper, which is a nice touch.

Surely it was her TOWN local paper?

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Thornberry has made the cut.

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh

Don't worry, she's not going to win even if she gets through the second "stage".

Yeah, I'm not too afraid of that. I guess I'm a little afraid that her running will cut through Starmer's momentum somewhat, but at least it won't affect the final outcome since Labour uses alternative vote.

Irrelevent. The 2nd stage is them needing unions or CLPs endorsements. They don't get enough, they are out.

[MaxQue]

Why the love for the lady who wants to apply martial law to Scotland?

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Not convinced that was her "point" at all. And perhaps *the* one thing many people know about AOC is that she got where she was now by de facto "deselecting" a well known Democrat "moderate".

Yes, it appears the left aren't as good as getting their people selected/enemies ejected as they thought/hoped - but having said that it is worth pointing out both that Coyle was close to being triggered and (it is reliably reported) used a few rather dubious tactics to stop it happening.

Of course, if one wanted to be devil's advocate it could also be asked that if open selections *are* so little threat to sitting Labour MPs - then why do so many continue to have pearl clutching fits of the vapours at the very idea, even including (disgracefully and ridiculously) threatening to leave the party if they are ever passed?

Because the very thought of members having any power is making the likes of Nandy nauseous.

[MaxQue]

That was not my point, I know that Nandy is from a privileged background, I am just saying that Nandy would represents working class communities/connect to working class voters much better than Starmer who represents a socially liberal, 2nd referendum remain constituencies and Long-Bailey who represents a continuation of Corbynism which cared more about being ideologically pure, talking about #Palestine, protest movements and being #anti-imprealist then advocating for revitalisation of towns and worker's rights.

I get what your saying, but Brexit isn't going to be as relevant of an issue in 2024 (this virus has made sure of that) and Starmer has indicated his priority is the unifying of the party. He's hardly going to be pursuing an FBPE agenda. And outside of Brexit are Nandy and Starmer really all that different?

I personally preferred Nandy but will happily support Starmer now he's the leader

Yes, Starmer doesn't want to send the army to Scotland.

[MaxQue]

Not that it matters much anymore, but how many of the new Shadow Cabinet represent constituencies that voted to Leave? Given a majority of Labour seats, even after the 2019 election, still voted to Leave, I'd expect it'd be a sizable chunk (Miliband's seat for instance had a 72% Leave vote while he has a 6% majority).

According to the Hanretty estimates:

Remain:
Starmer (73%)
Dodds (67%)
Lammy (76%)
Thornberry (72%)
Ashworth (58%)
Stevens (68%)
Reed (59%)
Debonnaire (79%)
Gill (53%)
Murray (78%)
de Cordova (78%)

Leave:
Rayner (62%)
Nandy (63%)
Thomas-Symonds (61%)
Reeves (53%)
Healey (70%)
Milibrand (72%)
Reynolds (59%)
Long-Bailey (54%)
Philipson (62%)
Pollard (54%)
McMahon (61%)
Haigh (57%)
Griffiths (57%)
McDonald (66%)

14-11 Leave. Through, the average of the results is Remain 52%.

[MaxQue]

Not that it matters much anymore, but how many of the new Shadow Cabinet represent constituencies that voted to Leave? Given a majority of Labour seats, even after the 2019 election, still voted to Leave, I'd expect it'd be a sizable chunk (Miliband's seat for instance had a 72% Leave vote while he has a 6% majority).

According to the Hanretty estimates:

Remain:
Starmer (73%)
Dodds (67%)
Lammy (76%)
Thornberry (72%)
Ashworth (58%)
Stevens (68%)
Reed (59%)
Debonnaire (79%)
Gill (53%)
Murray (78%)
de Cordova (78%)

Leave:
Rayner (62%)
Nandy (63%)
Thomas-Symonds (61%)
Reeves (53%)
Healey (70%)
Milibrand (72%)
Reynolds (59%)
Long-Bailey (54%)
Philipson (62%)
Pollard (54%)
McMahon (61%)
Haigh (57%)
Griffiths (57%)
McDonald (66%)

14-11 Leave. Through, the average of the results is Remain 52%.

Smith and Vaz still listed as members as well?

Smith and Vaz (and Brown and Allin-Khan) are wierd cases, they are not members of the shadow cabinet per se, but attend all meetings.

Remain:
Allin-Khan (74%)
Brown (59%)

Leave:
Smith (52%)
Vaz (62%)

As you can see, it doesn't accet the balance and even push the average more towards Remain.