DC Unrest Megathread

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https://twitter.com/mattmiller757/status/1346944869588230144
Cop holding door open: "Oh, I'm sorry, am I not holding the door open enough for you?  Please take some parting gifts from the art wing before you leave."

Why wouldn't he hold the door open for them?  He wants them out of there.

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https://twitter.com/mattmiller757/status/1346944869588230144
Cop holding door open: "Oh, I'm sorry, am I not holding the door open enough for you?  Please take some parting gifts from the art wing before you leave."

Why wouldn't he hold the door open for them?  He wants them out of there.

He should be arresting them not being valet to their criminal activity.

Right, because singlehandedly trying to arrest them all would be an easy thing to do and would work out wonderfully...

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The true enemy of the people:

https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1346940888761688064

that "process" quote is poignantly revealing of some of the psychology behind this.

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Since, in spite of multiple arrests and someone being shot by police, people here are still claiming police just let them in and did nothing:

https://twitter.com/mattparlmer/status/1347054883573280768?s=20

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Pelosi asked the military to effectively carry out a coup

www.nytimes.com%2F2021%2F01%2F08%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-pelosi-nuclear-military.html
https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1347889764427464712?s=20

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Pelosi asked the military to effectively carry out a coup

www.nytimes.com%2F2021%2F01%2F08%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-pelosi-nuclear-military.html
https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1347889764427464712?s=20

Pelosi didn't ask the military to remove Trump from office = No coup.

Strictly speaking, she asked the military to refuse carrying out certain orders from Trump. That's asking them to not to do something instead of doing something.

But I understand that you're post was meant as a "both sides do it!" construction.

Read it again.
It says right there Pelosi asked for Trump to be removed from the chain of command.   That is not military refusing orders, that would be a coup.   We are not supposed to have a problem with that now though I see, because as long as it's against Trump it's nothing to worry about.

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Pelosi asked the military to effectively carry out a coup

www.nytimes.com%2F2021%2F01%2F08%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-pelosi-nuclear-military.html
https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1347889764427464712?s=20

Pelosi didn't ask the military to remove Trump from office = No coup.

Strictly speaking, she asked the military to refuse carrying out certain orders from Trump. That's asking them to not to do something instead of doing something.

But I understand that you're post was meant as a "both sides do it!" construction.

Read it again.
It says right there Pelosi asked for Trump to be removed from the chain of command.   That is not military refusing orders, that would be a coup.

How is that anywhere close to asking for a coup? She just asked if they can make sure he doesn’t start a war because that’s a real threat with him considering what happened on the sixth.

If the military removes the person the Constitution states is in charge of the military from being in charge of the military, how is that not a coup?

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Pelosi asked the military to effectively carry out a coup

www.nytimes.com%2F2021%2F01%2F08%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-pelosi-nuclear-military.html
https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1347889764427464712?s=20

Good to know you're on the case in opposing illegitimate Violent transfers of power! Great to know that we have sharp-eyed rational people like you willing to call a spade a spade and pose such action diligently where the threat real lies! Great job not turning this into a knee-jerk contrarian attempt at both sidesism!! 👍

glad I could help 👍

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"They're just peaceful protesters. All we want is peace. Peace! Peeeaaace!"



🎵 A little piece of Schumer, a little slice of Pence 🎵
🎵 Some pieces of McConnell, Graham, and Adam Schiff, perchance 🎵
🎵 A little slice of Nancy, with some chopped-up Warnock sauce 🎵
🎵 And then some tastes of Harris, Biden, Ossoff, and DeVos! 🎵



(Credit to Mel Brooks)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_as_metaphor

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl"  - Barack Obama

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"They're just peaceful protesters. All we want is peace. Peace! Peeeaaace!"



 A little piece of Schumer, a little slice of Pence
 Some pieces of McConnell, Graham, and Adam Schiff, perchance
 A little slice of Nancy, with some chopped-up Warnock sauce
 And then some tastes of Harris, Biden, Ossoff, and DeVos!



(Credit to Mel Brooks)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_as_metaphor

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl"  - Barack Obama

I hope you're doing yoga with all that knee jerk contrarianism, I'd hate for you to strain yourself.

I just can't believe people have never heard political use of martial language before.  I mean c'mon, where do you think the term "campaign" comes from?   

This email is not evidence of anything.

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"They're just peaceful protesters. All we want is peace. Peace! Peeeaaace!"



 A little piece of Schumer, a little slice of Pence
 Some pieces of McConnell, Graham, and Adam Schiff, perchance
 A little slice of Nancy, with some chopped-up Warnock sauce
 And then some tastes of Harris, Biden, Ossoff, and DeVos!



(Credit to Mel Brooks)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_as_metaphor

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl"  - Barack Obama

I hope you're doing yoga with all that knee jerk contrarianism, I'd hate for you to strain yourself.

I just can't believe people have never heard political use of martial language before.  I mean c'mon, where do you think the term "campaign" comes from?   

This email is not evidence of anything.

At a minimum, would you concede that Trump has evidently attracted an inordinate number of followers who are inclined to take this sort of thing literally, and that if he were a responsible politician he would have noticed that and moderated his rhetoric accordingly?

If Trump were a responsible politician, he would have in general moderated his rhetoric much more at many points in the past 5 years, but I'm skeptical that in regards to this email "an inordinate number of followers who are inclined to take this sort of thing literally" and I would not assume that Trump was personally involved in writing it.

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https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1348291105180282882
very moderate and nice! glad to see one of the good ones around

What is the context of this statement? What "peaceful" protesters is he referring to? None of the people who stormed the Capitol were "peaceful".

There were many protesters there who did not storm the Capitol.

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2 Capitol Police officers suspended and another individual arrested for their alleged roles in riot

(CNN) -- Two Capitol Police officers have been suspended and another individual has been arrested for their alleged roles in the riot at the US Capitol on January 6, said Rep. Tim Ryan.

"There were two people suspended. One was the selfie officer and another was an officer who had put a MAGA hat on and started directing some people around," said Ryan, an Ohio Democrat who is chair of the House subcommittee handling the investigation into the response to the insurrection. "It was the interim chief who determined that to be qualifying for immediate suspension."

Ryan had fewer details about the individual who was arrested, and was not sure if the person was a police officer or a member of the National Guard. He told reporters he would have more details later.

He added that there are approximately 10 to 15 Capitol Police officers under investigation for their behavior during the riot but did not have more specifics.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/capitol-police-officers-suspended-tim-ryan/index.html

"roles in riot", give me a break.  No one died because a police officer let someone take a selfie with him.

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Ali Alexander definitely has some issues, not so sure about him being a reliable source.

https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark/status/1348451707676712960?s=20

https://twitter.com/lyndseyfifield/status/1349077620693020676?s=20

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https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1350566269519585280?s=20

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https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/1351193409650831364?s=20

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https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1351263106677276676

I hope they wait for the findings before passing any post-9/11 style laws.

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A rioter from Texas threatened to shoot his children if they told the FBI that he participated in the riots at the Capitol.

A Texas man with ties to a right-wing extremist group threatened to shoot his children if they told the FBI he traveled to Washington to storm the Capitol with other President Trump supporters, according to court documents.

Guy Reffitt threatened his daughter and son while arguing with them about his role in the Capitol siege, his wife told an FBI agent, according to the court papers filed in Washington, DC.

“If you turn me in, you’re a traitor and you know what happens to traitors … traitors get shot,” Reffitt allegedly said to his kids.

I give you the pro-life, pro-family party, ladies and gents.

"Killing my kids to own the libs! Who needs kids when I can have four more years of President Trump!?"

Nothing unhinged or irrational about that.

The motivation there has nothing to do with Trump or "owning the libs."   It's unbridled rage at the prospect of betrayal from a family member.  It is sadly entirely predictable that some people would react in such a way.

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A rioter from Texas threatened to shoot his children if they told the FBI that he participated in the riots at the Capitol.

A Texas man with ties to a right-wing extremist group threatened to shoot his children if they told the FBI he traveled to Washington to storm the Capitol with other President Trump supporters, according to court documents.

Guy Reffitt threatened his daughter and son while arguing with them about his role in the Capitol siege, his wife told an FBI agent, according to the court papers filed in Washington, DC.

“If you turn me in, you’re a traitor and you know what happens to traitors … traitors get shot,” Reffitt allegedly said to his kids.

I give you the pro-life, pro-family party, ladies and gents.

"Killing my kids to own the libs! Who needs kids when I can have four more years of President Trump!?"

Nothing unhinged or irrational about that.

The motivation there has nothing to do with Trump or "owning the libs."   It's unbridled rage at the prospect of betrayal from a family member.  It is sadly entirely predictable that some people would react in such a way.

Jesus, you will defend Trump and these terrorists at every turn

I think it's actually worth understanding social dynamics beyond merely whether something is good or bad.  That really annoys people for some reason but it's important if you ever want to solve things or even just keep things from getting worse.

People right now are being encouraged to turn in their family members.  If you support that, you need to at least recognize that some people won't have the character to respond in a healthy way when it happens to them.

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A rioter from Texas threatened to shoot his children if they told the FBI that he participated in the riots at the Capitol.

A Texas man with ties to a right-wing extremist group threatened to shoot his children if they told the FBI he traveled to Washington to storm the Capitol with other President Trump supporters, according to court documents.

Guy Reffitt threatened his daughter and son while arguing with them about his role in the Capitol siege, his wife told an FBI agent, according to the court papers filed in Washington, DC.

“If you turn me in, you’re a traitor and you know what happens to traitors … traitors get shot,” Reffitt allegedly said to his kids.

I give you the pro-life, pro-family party, ladies and gents.

"Killing my kids to own the libs! Who needs kids when I can have four more years of President Trump!?"

Nothing unhinged or irrational about that.

The motivation there has nothing to do with Trump or "owning the libs."   It's unbridled rage at the prospect of betrayal from a family member.  It is sadly entirely predictable that some people would react in such a way.

Jesus, you will defend Trump and these terrorists at every turn

I think it's actually worth understanding social dynamics beyond merely whether something is good or bad.  That really annoys people for some reason but it's important if you ever want to solve things or even just keep things from getting worse.

People right now are being encouraged to turn in their family members.  If you support that, you need to at least recognize that some people won't have the character to respond in a healthy way when it happens to them.

Okay then they can go to jail for murdering their cousin.

What is your endgame here?

My "endgame" is people not murdering or threatening their family members for one thing.  I don't understand the thought process where it is an "okay" thing to happen as long as someone ends up in prison over it.

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A rioter from Texas threatened to shoot his children if they told the FBI that he participated in the riots at the Capitol.

A Texas man with ties to a right-wing extremist group threatened to shoot his children if they told the FBI he traveled to Washington to storm the Capitol with other President Trump supporters, according to court documents.

Guy Reffitt threatened his daughter and son while arguing with them about his role in the Capitol siege, his wife told an FBI agent, according to the court papers filed in Washington, DC.

“If you turn me in, you’re a traitor and you know what happens to traitors … traitors get shot,” Reffitt allegedly said to his kids.

I give you the pro-life, pro-family party, ladies and gents.

"Killing my kids to own the libs! Who needs kids when I can have four more years of President Trump!?"

Nothing unhinged or irrational about that.

The motivation there has nothing to do with Trump or "owning the libs."   It's unbridled rage at the prospect of betrayal from a family member.  It is sadly entirely predictable that some people would react in such a way.

Jesus, you will defend Trump and these terrorists at every turn

I think it's actually worth understanding social dynamics beyond merely whether something is good or bad.  That really annoys people for some reason but it's important if you ever want to solve things or even just keep things from getting worse.

People right now are being encouraged to turn in their family members.  If you support that, you need to at least recognize that some people won't have the character to respond in a healthy way when it happens to them.

Okay then they can go to jail for murdering their cousin.

What is your endgame here?

There's a difference between not having any penalties & valorizing and deepening dysfunctional family relations in order to make it happen.

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Lol, why the hell would we go easy on a felony criminal because they are threatening to murder their children? I find it impossible to believe that someone would seriously make the argument that a person wanting to murder their own children is evidence that the law shouldn't pursue that person.

Yes, it would definitely be weird if someone was arguing that.

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Lol, why the hell would we go easy on a felony criminal because they are threatening to murder their children? I find it impossible to believe that someone would seriously make the argument that a person wanting to murder their own children is evidence that the law shouldn't pursue that person.

Yes, it would definitely be weird if someone was arguing that.

No one here has any idea what you are trying to argue, shua, and I suspect that includes yourself.

And no, that's not because anyone here lacks your self-perceived Galaxy brain level of analysis, but because you have crossed the border from your usual status of inscrutable to being outright incomprehensible.

I don't know what the point of comments like this are.  If you have a specific question about something I said, feel free to present it!

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Lol, why the hell would we go easy on a felony criminal because they are threatening to murder their children? I find it impossible to believe that someone would seriously make the argument that a person wanting to murder their own children is evidence that the law shouldn't pursue that person.

Yes, it would definitely be weird if someone was arguing that.

No one here has any idea what you are trying to argue, shua, and I suspect that includes yourself.

And no, that's not because anyone here lacks your self-perceived Galaxy brain level of analysis, but because you have crossed the border from your usual status of inscrutable to being outright incomprehensible.

I don't know what the point of comments like this are.  If you have a specific question about something I said, feel free to present it!

" I've incoherently rambled on at length. vearing between foolish and outright alarming, but feel free to ask me follow up questions!"

Hard pass.

If you don't want to attempt a constructive engagement with my posts, kindly stop wasting my time.

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Lol, why the hell would we go easy on a felony criminal because they are threatening to murder their children? I find it impossible to believe that someone would seriously make the argument that a person wanting to murder their own children is evidence that the law shouldn't pursue that person.

Yes, it would definitely be weird if someone was arguing that.

No one here has any idea what you are trying to argue, shua, and I suspect that includes yourself.

And no, that's not because anyone here lacks your self-perceived Galaxy brain level of analysis, but because you have crossed the border from your usual status of inscrutable to being outright incomprehensible.

I don't know what the point of comments like this are.  If you have a specific question about something I said, feel free to present it!

I have a question, albeit a broad one.

Don't you think it's a little weird that, in the wake of a mob storming the seat of American democracy, interrupting the discharging of the duties of Congress, and very nearly resulting in serious bodily harm for elected officials, the entirety of your comments seem to be about defending the people who perpetrated this attack or who appear to have (to be generous) inspired it? Like, even if all your claims were 100% correct, don't you think it's a little curious that this seems to be your sole focus? What do you think it might say about you that your priority seems to be playing defense for people aligned with the side that did this (again, whether or not the specific points you bring up in their defense are accurate or not) rather than condemning it?

I don't see any danger here that their actions aren't being condemned enough.  I do see a great deal of danger in promoting the dehumanization of all those in attendance (and extended by association to large swaths of the American population).