Why does life begin at conception and not at ejaculation?

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Both of these posts are extremely stupid, even by your side's low standards.

Why is flour not a cake? Why is oxygen not water? Why is a letter not a variable?

It lacks some other element or characteristic that makes it essentially so. Did you sleep through sex ed and biology class?

Is cake batter in a tray a cake? Is a cake that has been in an oven one second a cake? It has all the necessary ingredients.

Likewise, one could say that an undeveloped zygote lacks many of the elements and charicteristics that make it essentially a baby - limbs, viability, full brain function, etc.

A cake exist for the purpose to be eaten, so I'm not sure it's a good analogy here unless you're main interest is anthropophagic cuisine.

What does it mean for a baby to have "full brain function"?   A baby does not have either the brain function or independence appropriate to an adult in his/her twenties.  The baby has the functions appropriate to their stage of development.  It is the same with every other stage of development.  That doesn't mean they aren't a member of the human species.

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This is quite possibly one of the dumbest arguments I've seen pro-choicers give on this issue. Even when I was still pro-choice, this argument was so bad that I never used it.

Good to hear you've officially abandoned the pretense of being favorite women's rights to fit in with your new Chums. Disgusting, but entirely predictable.

Good to hear that you've never taken a basic biology course.

If this is an easy argument to refute biologically, then why don't you do so? You've just said "this is a dumb argument" twice with nothing to back it up. What about a fertilized egg constitutes inviolable and legal "life" that does not apply to individual gametes?

     The zygote is a genetically complete organism of the species H. sapiens, and with proper care and nourishment can eventually grow into an adult of the species. The sperm and the egg individually are just cells, and unless they combine and form a zygote will invariably wither and die as such.

Fertility clinics have thrown out millions of zygotes without a peep from pro-lifers.

You really don't know a thing about the pro-life movement, do you?

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nope can't use any more souls this week, filled quota already.

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how is this, the worst "gotcha" I've seen in years, still going on?

It has a point. Development happens before the "Sacred Rite" of conception, it still doesn't mark when development into an adult is reasonably certain, and isn't necessary in the development process. There are more necessary and essential steps before and after. The only argument is that all of the chemistry is available at that point.

What conception creates is absolutely necessary, even if in rare instances like cloning it's accomplished another way besides the joining of an egg and sperm.  Otherwise there is no organism to develop.

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how is this, the worst "gotcha" I've seen in years, still going on?

It has a point. Development happens before the "Sacred Rite" of conception, it still doesn't mark when development into an adult is reasonably certain, and isn't necessary in the development process. There are more necessary and essential steps before and after. The only argument is that all of the chemistry is available at that point.

What conception creates is absolutely necessary, even if in rare instances like cloning it's accomplished another way besides the joining of an egg and sperm.  Otherwise there is no organism to develop.

Cloning occurs naturally. But the point is that the joining of gametes isn't this magical ceremony that instantly makes a citizen.

Why are you bringing up citizenship?  I thought we were talking about when a new life begins.

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how is this, the worst "gotcha" I've seen in years, still going on?

It has a point. Development happens before the "Sacred Rite" of conception, it still doesn't mark when development into an adult is reasonably certain, and isn't necessary in the development process. There are more necessary and essential steps before and after. The only argument is that all of the chemistry is available at that point.

What conception creates is absolutely necessary, even if in rare instances like cloning it's accomplished another way besides the joining of an egg and sperm.  Otherwise there is no organism to develop.

Cloning occurs naturally. But the point is that the joining of gametes isn't this magical ceremony that instantly makes a citizen.

Why are you bringing up citizenship?  I thought we were talking about when a new life begins.

Killing is causing the death of a living thing. Murder or manslaughter is killing a person without a good reason. A citizen is a person who is born or naturalized into the jurisdiction a way that all of the laws of the jurisdiction apply to them.

Most laws apply to non-citizens, and I fail to see how someone being a citizen makes any difference as to whether they are alive (life being the topic of this thread).