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Alben Barkley
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« on: October 30, 2022, 05:44:46 PM »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-30/lula-poised-to-win-brazil-s-election-pollster-datafolha-says

Results below. Lula is up by nearly 2 million, 50.77-49.23%, with over 98% of the vote in.

https://resultados.tse.jus.br/oficial/app/index.html#/eleicao/resultados
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2022, 05:46:40 PM »
« Edited: October 30, 2022, 05:49:52 PM by Alben Barkley »


The polls seem to have underestimated Bolsonaro though. There actually seem to be a lot of parallels here to 2020 US, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bolsonaro acts like Trump after that election as well...

Also this is the closest election in Brazil history and the first time an incumbent president has ever lost.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2022, 06:21:07 PM »

Macron is congratulating Lula:

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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2022, 06:39:10 PM »

Biden congratulates Lula:

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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2022, 07:00:42 PM »



"I always thought that God was very generous to me, to leave where I left and get where I got to. Especially at this moment, when we are not facing a candidate, we are facing the state machine placed at the service of the candidate in the situation."



"I consider that I had a process of resurrection in Brazilian politics. They tried to bury me alive, and now I'm here to rule the country. In a very difficult situation, but I am sure that with the help of the people we will find a way out and restore peace."



"We have reached the end of one of the most important elections in our history. An election that put two opposing projects of country face to face, and that today has a single and great winner: the Brazilian people."



"This is not a victory for me, nor for the PT, nor for the parties that supported me in this campaign. It is the victory of an immense democratic movement that was formed, above political parties, personal interests and ideologies, so that democracy would win."



"On this historic 30th of October, the majority of the Brazilian people made it very clear that they want more – not less – democracy."
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2022, 07:05:49 PM »

He's still going. This part stood out to me as familiar...



"It is necessary to rebuild the very soul of this country. Recover generosity, solidarity, respect for differences and love for others. Bring back the joy of being Brazilians, and the pride we always had in the green-yellow and in the flag of our country."
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2022, 07:25:09 PM »



Lmao, lula despises generic liberals, most likely he doesn't care what nonsense a NATO servant has to say.
Lula is basically a generic liberal lol. His running mate is even a centrist.

That may be true in terms of domestic policies, but internationally he is definitely not a "generic liberal." He has never aligned himself with U.S. liberal interests and has continually positioned with China and Russia.

Umm… isn’t Bolsonaro the one who is friends with Putin and is part of the pro-Russia block along with Orban and Trump etc

https://www.reuters.com/world/lula-or-bolsonaro-putin-says-he-has-good-relations-with-both-2022-10-28/

Somewhat off-topic but this line made me LOL:

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"We do not interfere in domestic political processes – this is the most important thing," Putin added.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2022, 08:12:33 PM »


Trump supporters pray outside of Clark County Election Department in Nevada


It is happening again.


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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2022, 06:13:39 PM »

So looks like Brazil, a country that was under a military dictatorship within living memory, will have a more peaceful transition of power than the United States did.

Very sad.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2022, 06:19:51 PM »

So looks like Brazil, a country that was under a military dictatorship within living memory, will have a more peaceful transition of power than the United States did.

Very sad.

For you, maybe? I’m happy we didn’t get serious coup attempts, invasions or takeovers of power just to make the US a bit less insecure about themselves lol

I just mean it's sad that the world's oldest active democracy is on the rocks worse than a developing nation and young democracy in a region notorious for coups and dictatorships. It's obviously good for Brazil.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2022, 08:07:44 PM »



I... better not say anything this time.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2022, 08:27:58 PM »

So looks like Brazil, a country that was under a military dictatorship within living memory, will have a more peaceful transition of power than the United States did.

Very sad.

For you, maybe? I’m happy we didn’t get serious coup attempts, invasions or takeovers of power just to make the US a bit less insecure about themselves lol

I just mean it's sad that the world's oldest active democracy is on the rocks worse than a developing nation and young democracy in a region notorious for coups and dictatorships. It's obviously good for Brazil.

Despite the reference to the "region" that was not even named, much of the world, including Europe, has had numerous dictatorships in recent periods. The US supported and conspired in favor of many of them.

The US also has a history of internal wars and recent elections with extremely controversial results.

I'm not trying to make some American exceptionalism argument here or something, no need to reach for that. I'm lamenting my own country's democratic backsliding, not putting down any other country.
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