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Alben Barkley
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« on: May 18, 2020, 03:17:51 PM »

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2020, 04:54:54 PM »

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.

"Yes We Can" -- while not a successful slogan by its candidate -- remains one of my favorites just because it's short, it's sweet, and it lends itself to chants at rallies.  

Hope and Change was another epic Obama 08 slogan. Axelrod and Plouffe were superstars as well.

I've been listening to the audiobook of Gamechange which recounted the campaign of 2008 from Hillary's 2004 almost run to election day 2008. Without Plouffe and Axelrod I think there is a very good chance that Obama loses.

The book says that Obama's campaign wasn't necessarily super well run but HRC and McCain ran some terrible campaigns.

The political winds were blowing too strong against the GOP that year for a Democrat to lose regardless of the quality of the campaigns. Maybe if Obama’s wasn’t as good, he wouldn’t have won IN or NC or a couple of other states. But he still would have won. Bush was historically, extremely unpopular. People were sick of him and Iraq, and that was before the economic crisis. That was just the final nail in the coffin.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020, 05:05:44 PM »

I always felt like Obama 2012 campaign was way more impressive to me than his first.  

In 2008 Obama had the wind at his back and everything was going in his direction by the time most Americans voted on election day. Im not saying that it was not an amazing victory but I truly believe any Dem could have won that year.

Now 2012 is different and I think that any other Dem besides Obama would have lost that election. in 2012 Americans had at that point spent years dealing with a painfully slow recovery.
obama was now facing Americans who where understandably upset at the pace of the recovery and he was also dealing with a Republican party who was wiling to do whatever it took to get him out of there.

After all Mitch McConnell famously said this 2 years before the election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gM-1HbK4qU

They even tried to blame him for the overall recession and pretended that it started under him instead of bush yet despite all of that and 1 poor first debate by Obama

He defied all the laws of political gravity by being the first president since FDR to get reelected when unemployment was over 7.7 percent. Biden campaign is so far stronger than Hillary's but I don't think think it tops 2012.

Well I think like FDR, people realized that things had gotten really bad and would take some time to fully recover. And they had at least begun to recover under Obama, so he got credit for that. Not as much as FDR did in 1936, clearly, but between both cases it’s clear that having a bad economy is not a death sentence for an incumbent IF the public does not think he is responsible and if they see at least some improvement. Both Obama and FDR were elected to clean up a huge mess left behind by their Republican predecessor, after all, and the public gave them credit for making some progress and not making things worse at least.

I actually think if Hillary was the incumbent, she might have won for much the same reason, assuming her recovery efforts were at least as effective as Obama’s and assuming her 2008 victory was at least as big as Obama’s. Plus Romney was just not a great candidate. He was easy to portray as an out-of-touch rich stiff, and didn’t do himself any favors there with gaffes like the 10,000 dollar bet and the 47% comment. And his campaign was just boring and ineffective. Nobody here can even remember what his slogan was apparently.
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