Pelosi's staying

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Pelosi should leave, mainly because she is damaged goods. Republicans were successful into making her into a boogeyman just based on where she lives. Yes the fact that she had passed all this legislation certainly helped, but she wouldn't be featured in so many ads if she was from Oshkosh. I hate how Republicans can go around attacking the cities of America (or letting one drown) but Democrats can't say sh**t about the assbackwards rural areas. Fukc that sh**t.

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Hoyer should run against Pelosi.  Not only do we need someone other than Pelosi, I get the sense that she's just trying to stay so that she can screw him out of the leadership.

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

Dean is probably and was in 2005 far more popular then Pelosi is now.

Dean might not have been that "hated" but he was certainly presented successfully as a crazy clown, the liberal Christine O'Donnell of its day.
John McCain (then still a "moderate") said back then that his election was the biggest gift Democrats could make to Republicans and ensured their domination for the next years.

All this "Dean was popular, we never considered him an ultra-liberal" is revisionist history.

The only thing "crazy" was the "Dean scream."

I don't know about that. I remember plenty of ads attacking him for being a "Vermont liberal" before the scream happened.

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Pelosi should leave, mainly because she is damaged goods. Republicans were successful into making her into a boogeyman just based on where she lives. Yes the fact that she had passed all this legislation certainly helped, but she wouldn't be featured in so many ads if she was from Oshkosh. I hate how Republicans can go around attacking the cities of America (or letting one drown) but Democrats can't say sh**t about the assbackwards rural areas. Fukc that sh**t.

No, they're not attacking cities (most Republicans never do, and don't say Palin). San Francisco has a reputation. She also is not charismatic by any definition.

No, they basically attack all cities. It just depends on the leadership. If Pelosi was from Detroit, they would attack that city. Obama is attacked for being from Chicago. If Chris Van Hollen or Steny Hoyer becomes minority leader, they will attack them for being Washington or Maryland liberals. Kerry was attacked for being from Massachusetts. I don't care if San Francisco has a reputation (what does this even mean?). Mississippi also has a reputation for being racist and bigoted. Should I just assume Haley Barbour is a bigot until he proves me otherwise?

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(what does this even mean?)

Specifically, it means that she's a holier-than-thou kind of Liberal, which are probably the most despised among Conservatives (Basically the Democratic equivalent of a bible-thumper).  More generally, it represents the cultural divide between Urban and Rural societies (which generally don't like each other).  I don't know about you, but I've heard the phrase "Republican Hick" more often than "San Francisco Liberal", and they basically mean the same thing.

Obviously no one is going to attack anyone for being a San Francisco liberal in the bay area.

At the national level, and especially in politics, cities (especially those who vote Democratic thus Dallas won't qualify) are denigrated while rural America is celebrated. And this is done mostly by the Republicans, though I suppose some Democrats attacked Pelosi for being from San Francisco as well. I don't see the Democrats out there running ads against rural Republican hicks.

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I'm glad that those open-minded liberals never criticized Bush for being from Texas.  Neither are Republican voters ever stereotyped as unintelligent or uneducated.

Not that it worked. It could be a tool that might have some success in the future though. Prop 23 went down in flames here and one of the main boogeymans created by the no on 23 campaign were Texas oil companies that supported the initiative. I thought that was quite disturbing as well.

Although a key difference would be that they were attacking companies, and not the people of Texas. But of course you wonder why it's relevant where the oil companies are based.....