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Question: How bad will it be for the Dems on Tuesday?
#1
Category 5 Storm 80+ net loss in House
 
#2
Category 4 Storm 60-80 net loss in House
 
#3
Category 3 Storm 39-60 net loss in House
 
#4
Category 2 Storm 20-38 net loss in House
 
#5
Category 1 - 20 or fewer net loss in House.
 
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Sbane
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« on: October 31, 2010, 06:30:49 AM »

I am putting up the chart below to confuse everyone. Suffice it to say, if the GOP wins the House by 15% (57.5-42.5), which is reflected by the blue line, and every CD held by a Dem swings in a uniform manner from its PVI baseline (bearing in mind that a CD needs a PVI to GOP +2.5 to break even  (Bush +2.5%, Obama -7.5%, sum the two, and divide by two, for the PVI break even point), then the GOP wins 114 Dem seats (the red line). In other words, per this metric, if the Dems lose every seat they hold with a Dem PVI of +5 or less, they lose 114 seats. If the GOP just breaks even in the generic vote, the Dems lose about 50 seats if the Dem can't beat the the PVI baseline for the CD after deducting 2.5%, to get the CD down to even. So based on the PVI thing, as adjusted, if the GOP margin goes from -5% to 0%, and all CD's follow the PVI model, the GOP gets 50 seats. If there is no swing at all from the PVI, and the GOP loses the Generic vote by 5%, it still picks up about 42 Dem seats.

So, as a very crude cut, the Dems are holding a lot of seats they should not be holding based on 2004 and 2008 POTUS results, and thus a nationalized election, with the GOP in the lead, where incumbency is of marginal value, is one reason for the impending blowout. And sure some Dems will survive the PVI game, vis a vis the generic ballot swing, a substantial number of them. How many?  A lot fewer than we thought a month ago.

And yes, between 50 and 70 Dem seats, a lot are in play as compared to the PVI differential (i.e, the red line gets relatively steep between 50 and 70, and particularly 50 and 60), so as the GOP moves into positive territory (when the GOP hits a 5% generic ballot margin, it gets about 72 Dem seats), it hits a lot of Dem seats, against which the Dems have to play their incumbency card, etc.

And oh yes, you subtract GOP losses, be it 2 or 5 or whatever, from these totals.

If I'm reading this correctly, you are saying the Republicans win 50 seats if they tie the generic ballot and if they win by a margin of 5 they win 70 seats?
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2010, 01:44:05 PM »

I'll take it up to 42-50, but I still don't see this 70+ seat gain.

Senate, about a 30% chance of a GOP take over, but I'm really expecting 49-49-2.

Are you lowballing the House so you can be even more happy come Tuesday, if indeed the GOP gets close to or breaks 60 seats? It seems like that is the case to me. Wink

He is just playing the expectations game. He seems to think that spinning results positively for the Republicans is necessary on the atlas forum. 
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