Would you have supported Israel's creation in 1948?

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My only points here are these:

1. Some people seem to think that the Jews took over a Palestinian state, which is not true.
2. Some people seem to think that Jews should not have been allowed to move to Palestine because it was Palestinian land. Coming from anyone other than the KKK this seems a bit odd and hypocritical to me.
3. Based on this (and the rest of the history of that time) I have trouble finding the moral principle on which to base opposition to the Israeli state. Pragmatically, I get it. You might think it was a bad outcome for the Jews and for the world as a whole. But I don't see where an average liberal could be outraged at what was done.

1) The Jews took over a colony of Britain in which the population was mostly Palestinian, although there was a significant minority of Jews.
2) I don't know who is advocating Jews shouldn't be allowed to move wherever they feel like, including Israel. The problem is with the establishment of a Jewish state. If there was a large minority of Jews living in a Palestinian state (sort of how the arrangement was before 1948 anyways), nobody would have a problem with it. And before you scream anti-semitism, it is impossible to know how Palestinians would have felt about Jews without the history of the last 60 years.
3) Yes, taking into account Europe's history of anti-semitism, it did seem like a good move to move the Jews out of Europe. And an "average liberal" may in theory be in favor of a Jewish homeland, especially just a few years after a holocaust has been conducted against them, but that same liberal would also be absolutely appalled by the way the Israelis have handled themselves from 1948 onwards.

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     I am opposed to the planning of "ethnic states" on principle, so no.

Um, this was a people whom suffered years of slaughter and persecution, yet no country which accepted them without severe persecution [like the United States] would accept en masse.  How could they NOT push for a separate homeland?   They were deprived of their right to safety for centuries in the countries which they resided, surely you can see that?

So just because America didn't want them and Europe wanted to get rid of them, it was cool to just give them some land which already had people living on it? It all comes back to power of course. America was a powerful country and thus could control who came into their country or tried to form national entities within their country. Britain controlled some land they had no business controlling so they could just give it to the Jews, without facing any of the consequences. Why didn't they just give them some land within Britain? Why didn't America give them some land? Perhaps somewhere in the deep south? I wonder if Muslims/Arabs would still be considered the most anti-semitic group today. lol

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Once again, basic chronology people. Please.

What? Since there were already Jews living in Palestine, and many were moving there, a zionist homeland there was inevitable? I don't care if the Jewish people moved there in mass, but I do have a problem with setting up a Jewish homeland by taking away the indigenous people's lands.

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The Jews had lived there long before the Arabs had, and there was a large Jewish population anyway. If you have a problem with immigration, why don't you join the Republican Party?

Who cares if the Jews lived there thousands of years ago? Certainly doesn't entitle them to any land in today's world.

And as for the Jews who were living there before the Zionist movement really caught on, they were living there pretty peacefully weren't they? Why couldn't have that arrangement continued even if there was greater Jewish immigration in later years?

And wtf is this about me not supporting immigration? As I specifically mentioned in the post above yours, I would not care if Jews mass migrated there. Setting up a Jewish state and excluding/stealing land from Arabs is what I disagree with. If Jews just lived there and didn't try to create their own country, things would be much, much better.

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Maybe it would have been possible to have some sort of Jewish-Arab state, if not for the Arabs attacking Israel.

LOL what? So Israel first steals land and becomes powerful, then they want to negotiate? Pretty dick move, I would say.

There already was a culture of Jewish/Arab coexistence in that land before the crazier zionists moved in and tried to establish a Jewish state. That was the right time to create a Palestinian state of Jews as well as Arabs.