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Libertas Vel Mors
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« Reply #100 on: April 25, 2024, 11:47:00 PM »

It's funny how some of you people say that you shouldn't judge the many based upon the actions of a few, yet conveniently throw out this principle when it comes to UN programs for Filastin just because of Israeli butthurt

I take at whatever the opposite of face value is the idea that Israel is randomly kidnapping UN employees as collective punishment, if that's what you mean to imply.
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« Reply #101 on: April 28, 2024, 04:03:01 PM »


I guess the revelation that Blinken had done nothing under similar circumstances, despite being advised to do so, has prompted him to finally take action...

This is from eight days ago and has already been walked back, apparently. It seems like threatening negative steps and then walking them back is how the administration gets Netanyahu to back off certain things.

Yeah, I was just about to say that this had been called off. Disgusting. If we have an embargo against Azov, we should have an embargo against all ideology driven paramilitary units.

Is the embargo against Azov good policy? My impression is that Azov has substantially de-nazified since 2014, and that their distinctiveness today comes primarily from their reputation for violence/toughness rather than war crimes or Nazi ideals. I guess there are political reasons to avoid aid (Russian propaganda, for example) but I find this a bit of a strange analogy given that Azov's sanctioning was itself controversial, with the Pentagon allegedly pushing back on it, and with it needing special legislation to be sanctioned precisely because it wasn't thought to have violated the Leahy Act's prohibitions on funding for units that have committed "gross violation(s) of human rights."

More to the point, in what ways is the Netzah Yehuda battalion comparable to Azov? I'm certainly no fans of theirs -- they are much more religious than I am, for example -- but they definitely aren't Neo-Nazis. And I'm not aware of any gross violations of human rights they've committed that would actually fall under the Leahy Act, which is part of why Speaker Johnson recently called the White House to demand that the recent aid package not exclude them.
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« Reply #102 on: April 30, 2024, 06:30:16 PM »

For f***'s sake! Hamas cannot be "destroyed."

All that's been literally destroyed (other than Gaza and the lives of its residents) is Israel's reputation.

If there is a deal, and all hostages are released, the priority should be rebuilding Gaza. Keep security around the border if necessary, but this needs to end.

Why can't Hamas be destroyed?
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