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« on: February 09, 2022, 10:05:27 AM »

Why are people constantly comparing BLM and Anti-Vaxx protests?

The majority of people approved of the BLM protests overall (but not the bad stuff) , found the protest's message moral, and hoped the movement continued. The majority of people do not approve of the anti-vaxx convoy, find the protest's message immoral, and hope the movement ends.

I will add that it's somewhat understandable that this is happening at the end of omicron, but 90% of these protestors felt the same way about ending all restrictions in 2021 and possibly even 2020, so that doesn't necessarily apply in all contests of the phrase "I agree with the protestors".

Sorry, you don’t get to decide what’s moral or not.  Also, the polls are rigged.  These protests have been largely peaceful. 

"The polls (alternatively the statistics/data) are rigged" is only a different way of saying "I only believe what I choose the believe, screw the facts". Which frankly renders any discussion moot, because the debate consists only of declarations of opinion instead of an exchange of actual arguments.
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2022, 08:29:50 PM »

Where and how can I donate so that GiveSendGo actually loses money?
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2022, 11:47:22 AM »

Doug Ford has announced that he will remove the vaccine passport system from Ontario "very soon".

History has taught us that appeasement makes the aggressor only more aggressive. Ford needs to set an example in order to create a credible deterrence to prevent future transgressions.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2022, 07:01:39 PM »

Doug Ford has announced that he will remove the vaccine passport system from Ontario "very soon".

History has taught us that appeasement makes the aggressor only more aggressive. Ford needs to set an example in order to create a credible deterrence to prevent future transgressions.

So are you guys planning on canceling Nord Stream 2 when the Russians invade Ukraine?

I'm not the German government. I'd support cancelling Nord Stream, yes. But like I said, I'm probably the wrong person to be adressed in this matter.



Doug Ford has announced that he will remove the vaccine passport system from Ontario "very soon".

History has taught us that appeasement makes the aggressor only more aggressive. Ford needs to set an example in order to create a credible deterrence to prevent future transgressions.

Are you suggesting that the proper response would be to punish everyone with more lockdowns?

I think you're using a straw man fallacy here. But to answer your question... no, I'm not suggesting that.



Doug Ford has announced that he will remove the vaccine passport system from Ontario "very soon".

History has taught us that appeasement makes the aggressor only more aggressive. Ford needs to set an example in order to create a credible deterrence to prevent future transgressions.

Are you suggesting that the proper response would be to punish everyone with more lockdowns?
COVID policy ought to not to be controlled by what is or isn't "appeasement". It ought to be premised on what is likely to work if enacted and everyone abided by it, checked by how effective it would most likely be at its goals.

DC Al Fine had suggested that Doug Ford's announcement to end Ontario's vaccine passport was a direct result and success of the so-called "Freedom Convoy". If that was the case I doubt that the decision to end the passport meets the criteria put forward here by you. In a democracy, government policy can't and shouldn't be dictated by a few thousand people - many of them by all accounts right-wing extremists - who are threatening to shut down US-Canadian trade through the use of illegal means.

If the end of the vaccine passport wasn't a direct result of the protests then the timing of the announcement has been very unfortunate and Ford should have waited with it until after the so-called "Freedom Convoy" has been discontinued.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2022, 09:21:52 AM »

Police has started to clear the bridge: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60361533
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2022, 09:27:17 AM »

CBC article has some retweets of footage of what's happening on the bridge right now:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/protesters-ambassador-bridge-windsor-covid-deadline-1.6349424
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2022, 08:25:33 PM »

The Twitter account of Thomas Daigle seems to be a good source for what's going on at the bridge. Bottomline is the bridge appears to be cleared of trucks, but not people, with the crowd actually having grown in size by now. Police hesitates to move against them.






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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2022, 08:41:56 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2022, 05:50:45 AM »

Meanwhile, far-right grifter Ezra Levant is tweeting like he's in Tiananmen Square in 1989.



Well, there always two sides to a story...





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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2022, 05:56:29 AM »

As for the latest situation at the bridge: It's too cold.







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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2022, 12:40:20 PM »

The bridge has been cleared, police has smade 12 arrests.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/windsor-ambassador-bridge-police-protest-1.6350120



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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2022, 12:47:06 PM »



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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2022, 07:39:55 PM »
« Edited: February 14, 2022, 07:50:29 PM by Middle-aged Europe »

- and NOW enactment of the War Measures Act to quell largely peaceful protests that the government disagrees with, and has falsely labelled as a "white supremacy uprising" with support from MSM

If you don't see what's happening, you are ignorant.  Wake the hell up.


Well, obviousy I'm not gonna jump into a plane to Ottawa now to confirm for myself what's happening there...


...but in the summer of 2020 I went to observe one of those large-scale anti-lockdown, anti-vaxxer protests with thousands of people in the middle of Berlin. As it turned out, everything looked the way you expected it to look when you had followed the previous reporting of the so-called "MSM" about it.

Most ubiquitous to me, numbering maybe in the dozens, were the Black-White-Red flags of the German Empire of 1871-1918. Since the Swastika itself is banned in Germany, the Black-White-Red tricolour has long been adopted by German neo-Nazis as their symbol. This is mainly because that flag had also been used by the Third Reich in concurrence with the Swastika for a transitional period that had lasted from '33 to '35.

Aside from aforementioned Imperial flag and Germany's actual current national flag, the Black-Red-Yellow tricolour, the most widely seen flags at the protest were in fact the Russian and American ones. I presume this was the case because both Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump are usually held in high regard by people who also tend the fly the Imperial flag of 1871-1918 & 1933-1935 around here. This was pretty much confirmed by the Putin and Trump t-shirts people were wearing at the protest.

In addition to these four flags, there also seemed to be a rather frequent occurence of the letter "Q" at the protest, in the form of t-shirts, on hand-held signs, or as stickers on nearby parking cars. Other participants wore t-shirts with anti-immigration slogans.

It was August 29, 2020... the day when towards the end of that march some of the protesters broke through the police barricades in front of the Reichstag and then waved the Black-White-Red flags on the steps of the German parliament.

Now here's the thing, a couple of days later I happened to get involved in a discussion with a women who had participated in these protests herself. And she insisted that while being there she had not seen a single Black-White-Red flag or other "suspicious" symbol herself and even if they had been there, she added, it wouldn't matter anyway because what counts is to get rid of the COVID restrictions. I guess reality is what we want to see and at the end of the day the ends always justify the means.

So, like I said in the beginning, I've have not been to Canada myself. But since COVID restrictions have always been somewhat similar all over the world I must assume that the same is true, one way or the other, for the protests against them too.

As the poster Dabbing Santa so fittingly said: If you don't see what's happening, you are ignorant. Wake the hell up.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2022, 08:56:19 PM »


There is no impeachment in Canada, which means that you are supporting an unconstitutional coup against the elected Canadian government.
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