France issues new set of rules for Muslim Leaders

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- There is not a lot of evidence suggesting that Muslims kids are especially more likely to be homeschooled than anyone else
 - The existing sociology seem to indicate that decisions by Muslim families to homeschool their childre are made on a similar reasoning to non-Muslim families. In particular the desire to take them out of difficult schools in rough neighbourhoods.

Link to these claims?

French schools are very secular (right?), so it seems fairly likely that one of the reason to chose homeschooling is religious.

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- There is not a lot of evidence suggesting that Muslims kids are especially more likely to be homeschooled than anyone else
 - The existing sociology seem to indicate that decisions by Muslim families to homeschool their childre are made on a similar reasoning to non-Muslim families. In particular the desire to take them out of difficult schools in rough neighbourhoods.

Link to these claims?

French schools are very secular (right?), so it seems fairly likely that one of the reason to chose homeschooling is religious.

Yes, religion is a motivation, but not one that uniquely concerns Muslim families

Here is exactly the same source I linked to in the last thread.

In particular

Si elles expliquent leur choix par les besoins de l’enfant, les causes sont plurielles. Elles sont certes religieuses, mais aussi professionnelles, résidentielles et pédagogiques. La violence scolaire au sein des quartiers de résidence, l’appréhension ou le refus de l’école sécularisée ainsi que la volonté de rompre avec les temporalités dominantes motivent le choix de ces femmes.

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Toutefois, hormis la situation minorisée dans laquelle elles se trouvent, à de nombreux égards, il semblerait que les motivations de ces familles ne se distinguent pas tellement de celles mises en avant par les familles non musulmanes.

And about statistics, the key point is there is no way of getting accurate stats because collecting that sort of data is not legal but:

Tous les groupes sociaux semblent concernés ! Dans le cadre des enquêtes que nous menons à l’université de Cergy-Pontoise, les parents non scolarisants résident dans des territoires ruraux comme urbains, parfois dans des quartiers extrêmement défavorisés. Ils exercent des métiers très divers au plan économique, et leurs identités nationales et ethniques sont également contrastées.

If you don't understand the French, deepl is your friend here.

Put simply, the phenomenon is marginal - we're talking 25'000 homeschooled kids, and less than 8'000 who are completely removed from the school system. Even if every single one of them was Muslim, it would still be a marginal fraction of the (rough estimate) slightly over one million or so muslim school aged children in France.

Pretty poor source tbh. Basically admitting there is no good numbers/studies and article itself lacks any number whatsoever.

Religious and religious, I don't know if you can compare "radical" Islam to "radical" Christianity in France. Again, no hard numbers there, but poor and religious homeschooling is likely more dangerous than not poor.

Don't really understand why you think 25 000 is a low number. We'are arguably talking about radicalism due homeschooling and radicalism is almost per definition rare.

My point is that I doubt that Macron's attacks against [muslim] french homeschooling is just rhetorical and symbolical populism. Pretty sure, it's data driven (I assume French intelligence agencies has good data on Radicals).

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Rejecting an academic source because you don't like what it says is basically an admission that you have lost the argument. Especially when your only counterpoint is "I assume".

You genuinely think your source is good one? It has no data, citing his own thesis and blogs(??) and is pretty vague, no? Also, is it a *political* academic source? Poli sci is not really a science IMO. Not all science created equal   


Is it your only source?

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Rejecting an academic source because you don't like what it says is basically an admission that you have lost the argument. Especially when your only counterpoint is "I assume".

You genuinely think your source is good one? It has no data, citing his own thesis and blogs(??) and is pretty vague, no? Also, is it a *political* academic source? Poli sci is not really a science IMO. Not all science created equal   


Is it your only source?

She's a Sociologist and there are a load of footnotes at the bottom if you care to check them out.

But thank you for making it clear you either didn't read or didn't understand the source.

Uhm, actually I did. Unfortunately, I can't buy her book (thesis) and she doesn't even specify what blogs she refer to.

Or where does her vague (no?) claim

Toutefois, hormis la situation minorisée dans laquelle elles se trouvent, à de nombreux égards, il semblerait que les motivations de ces familles ne se distinguent pas tellement de celles mises en avant par les familles non musulmanes.

come from/based on?

Sociologist