SR 108-23: A Resolution Denouncing Atlas User jravnsbo (Failed)

[Joseph Cao]

I'm not exactly supportive of condemnations for past actions unrelated to gameplay. Not a particularly accurate analogue, in magnitude of RL crimes committed or otherwise, but the resolution condemning Alben for on-forum transphobia from a few months back comes to mind and the connection between the concerned player's RL actions and in-game actions appears about equally strong in either case, especially since in this guy's case any of his in-game actions or honors bestowed upon him should have been wiped out by the reset.

The other problem with listing him as SD's (current or prior) Attorney General would presumably be that in-game such a person already exists as an NPC.

Obviously the spirit of the resolution has my full support but I'm trying to untangle the logical endpoints of such an action here.

[Joseph Cao]

The other thing I guess could be said is that he committed the RL crime fifteen years after he "died" in-game by ceasing to play, which strongly implies we are condemning a former player for a crime he committed in an alternate universe while legally dead in this one.

[Joseph Cao]

The other thing I guess could be said is that he committed the RL crime fifteen years after he "died" in-game by ceasing to play, which strongly implies we are condemning a former player for a crime he committed in an alternate universe while legally dead in this one.

I would appreciate if the sponsor or anyone else could address this. As it stands this resolution appears to concern things that did not happen in Atlasia or indeed in this plane of reality.

[Joseph Cao]

The other thing I guess could be said is that he committed the RL crime fifteen years after he "died" in-game by ceasing to play, which strongly implies we are condemning a former player for a crime he committed in an alternate universe while legally dead in this one.

I would appreciate if the sponsor or anyone else could address this. As it stands this resolution appears to concern things that did not happen in Atlasia or indeed in this plane of reality.

I hardly see why matters of semantics matter given that Atlasia has discussed legislation concerning things like Bigfoot. In any case, if he's dead then we have an epidemic of the dead driving into people, which is very scary indeed.

The funny thing is that Bigfoot or sightings of Bigfoot do canonically exist.

[Joseph Cao]

Nay. I agree with Westy, we shouldn't compare the alleged in-universe crime to verifiable in-universe crimes – it would not be appropriate in any way.

[Joseph Cao]

Where are we on this?

[Joseph Cao]

Aye.

[Joseph Cao]

By a vote of 7-3-0-8, cloture is invoked.

A final vote is now open on the following resolution for 96 hours:

A Resolution Denouncing Atlas User jravnsbo

WHEREAS, the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia previously recognized and thanked forum member Jravnsbo for his service in the United States Armed Forces;

WHEREAS, the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia previously authorized and urged the President of the Republic of Atlasia to bestow the Atlasian Silver Star upon Jravnsbo;

WHEREAS, Atlas user jravnsbo has been charged with vehicular manslaughter and various other misdeeds;

WHEREAS, jravnsbo has bought great shame upon Atlasia by his actions;

RESOLVED, the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia hereby revokes any and all honors bestowed upon jravnsbo;

RESOLVED, the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia hereby denounces Atlas user jravnsbo.

Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Joseph Cao]

Nay.

[Joseph Cao]

Aye (6): WD, OSR, discovolante, WB, S019, Ishan
Nay (8 ): MB, Joseph Cao, Mr. R, West_Midlander, beesley, Deadprez, Yankee, Muad'dib
Abstain (0):
Present/not voting (4): tack, Kuumo, FalterinArc, CalamityBlue

By a vote of 6-8-0-4, the resolution is not adopted.