Presidential Comparison 4

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LBJ. Hoover wasn't as bad as some make him out to be, but Vietnam does not trump civil rights.

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Do you dismiss the war in Iraq that easily?

No, at least in Vietnam, we were attacked first.

Not on American soil

That is irrelevant, though.  We did not provoke them, and they still attacked us.

What? Absolutely nonsensical.

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If they would just stay where they were supposed to be, and not invade another country, then we don't have a problem.  We didn't attack them, they attacked us first.

And what business did we have entangling ourselves in their civil war?  You basically admitted they were attacking S. Vietnam and not the US

The policy of containment.  They attacked an ally of ours.

No one is disputing that, that does not mean we did not provoke them.  Helping someone's enemy on their home turf seems like the textbook definition of provocation

We stayed in S. Vietnam, so it wasn't their turf.

To the irredentists (and, mind you, they had ample reason to be irredentists), being there was ample reason.

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We stayed in S. Vietnam, so it wasn't their turf.

Didn't you argue in the other thread that the Union had every right to invade the Confederacy?  So its okay to invade soverign nations when it floats your boat?

The Confederacy had no right to secede in the first place.

What right did South Vietnam have to be apart from North Vietnam?

They were divided up, and it was agreed to.

By whom? De Gaulle?