Did Noah's Ark actually happen?

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I heard that some kinda creationists were trying to look for it near by the Ararat Mount in Turkey.

To me, no. Then, yes, I think it is based on a real kinda flood story.

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A global flood?  No.

As we all know, flood stories are prominent in many cultures.  As we also know, there were, in fact, catastrophic floods as late as 6000 BC caused by the end of the last Ice Age.

The story is based on something, I think is the important thing.

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Then I guess the following people were deceived:
Moses (Genesis)
writer of 1Chron
Job
Eliphaz
Isaiah
Ezekiel
Luke
Paul
writer of Hebrews
Peter
Jesus (spoke about Noah in Matthew 24; Luke 17)
God (spoke to Noah in Genesis, and spoke about Noah to Isaiah and Ezekiel)


It amazes me that people can believe God made the entire universe out of nothing, yet doubt his ability to flood a tiny speck of the universe named "Earth"

I utterly refuse to get dragged into this argument again.  I guess, in your head, that means you win.  Congrats on being the King of Fantasyland.

That's what I thought. When reading you jmfcst, I was thinking I would be very curious to know what is it to live in a world with such fantasies in mind. I'm sincere, I really wonder how it would be.

Fantasies, because as pbrower2a developed, sounds that science carried a lot of evidences that should at least make doubt. I'm not monotheist but I like a lot that Catholicism has accepted what could carry science, which is just the observation of the reality.

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A global flood?  No.

As we all know, flood stories are prominent in many cultures.  As we also know, there were, in fact, catastrophic floods as late as 6000 BC caused by the end of the last Ice Age.

The story is based on something, I think is the important thing.

^^^^^^

Then I guess the following people were deceived:
Moses (Genesis)
writer of 1Chron
Job
Eliphaz
Isaiah
Ezekiel
Luke
Paul
writer of Hebrews
Peter
Jesus (spoke about Noah in Matthew 24; Luke 17)
God (spoke to Noah in Genesis, and spoke about Noah to Isaiah and Ezekiel)


It amazes me that people can believe God made the entire universe out of nothing, yet doubt his ability to flood a tiny speck of the universe named "Earth"

It amazes me that people can believe either of these things.

It amazes me that people don't believe in a higher power, no matter which God it is. I mean something had to make everything we see...

That just raises the question "then what made God?" - quite often the answer given is "nobody, he always existed". (not saying this is your belief, just a generality) Isn't that really just the same? If you can believe that one thing exists without a creative force behind it, then why is it so strange for another person to believe another thing exists without a creative force behind it?

I guess because I grew up believing in a higher power(God), I'm not going to say the way I think is right or wrong because I wasn't there, it amazes me that people who believe in the big bang think someone believing in a higher power is crazy. When it takes the same amount of faith to believe that the matter the made everything has always been there as it does to believe that a higher power has always been there.

I personally don't think that's crazy. What would tend to be crazy to me is to stay shut in a vision of the reality, and to not accept at least the doubt, when some numerous observations of the reality contest this vision.

All that "evidence" that you bring up about genetics, and archeology... that is just God/Satan's way of trying to trick the non-believers.

Well, I expected that argument. Sure science can not fight against this one. It tends to make me sad to see such arguments. But, well, in the absolute, as no one can say, each one his point of view.

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Faith is the ability to ignore the visible "facts" and believe the word of God. 

That's why sometimes it can make good things, but, sometimes, the hell it can be dangerous. Well, in my opinion.

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Faith is the ability to ignore the visible "facts" and believe the word of God. 

That's why sometimes it can make good things, but, sometimes, the hell it can be dangerous. Well, in my opinion.

Rom 4: 18 Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be." 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah's womb was also dead . 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness."

Check out the passage above...I have highlight in red physical evidence that seemed to make God's word impossible...and I have highlighted in green Abraham's faith as it stared down the physical evidence and trusted the word of God.

Was there anything "dangerous" in Abraham ignoring the evidence and believing God instead? Obviously not.

But what you say about Abraham here is something in which you have faith and in which I haven't. And no one can definitively affirm in the end who is wrong and who is right, that's why the one can just say that he believes or that he doesn't.

And yes, given that it can partially shut ourselves to what our senses tell us about the reality, it can be dangerous. Given that it can at best ignore, at worst have the will to eradicate, the tools we have to improve our perception of the reality, which are sciences, it can be dangerous. Given that it can make you taking huge risks, thinking that anyway there's something behind (here I refer to those who don't fear apocalypse), it can be dangerous.

In short, given that it can change the perception of the reality you have thanks to your senses, it can be dangerous.

So yes, according to the case, it can give you a great force to make great things, or it can be very dangerous.

As it can sometimes make good things, we could think there is a good way for faith and a bad one. And given it can lead you to not take in count what tell your senses to you, if it can have this power, maybe it could be because we could talk about a "6th sens" here. But as it is a one we really don't control very good, it can be as good as dangerous. I think religion would have as role to manage this "6th sens" for human beings and the fact that some can still believe in facts that are denied by the other senses would show that we terribly need new paths to better manage that "6th sens". Well, that are some personal reflexions.

With the hope my English will be enough understandable.

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In short, given that it can change the perception of the reality you have thanks to your senses, it can be dangerous.

you mean like Abraham obeying God's word by attempting to kill Isaac, his only son?  But didn't God stop Abraham before any harm was done?

Or, let's take the book of Acts...the only danger anyone in the book of Acts faced was the persecution of nonbelievers.

Sorry, you're going to have to provide a firm example.  Because since my testimony includes claims of receiving a direct word from God, I've yet to experience any danger by obeying God's word.  In fact, it saved me from sure destruction.

You, once again and always, speak considering that Bible is all true, is all word from what you call "God". You can't convince me with that given I don't share that belief and given the fact that no human on the earth can, in the absolute, say whether what is in Bible is true or not. I've some tools that are sciences, which are just the observations of the reality by my 5 senses, which tell me that what is in Bible can't be true. As we can imagine everything, that this the devil who try to trick us by sciences or anything, I decide to follow my 6th sens which tell me to trust the first 5 ones. You decide to not listen all your 5 senses because you decide to not listen to all what say sciences. That's your right, we don't have the same beliefs, period.

So don't take biblical examples to try to convince me, as I don't trust biblical examples. Can you get this?

If you experienced in your life that some words of "God" saved you from sure destruction it shows that faith can carry good things, as there are good and deep things in Christianity. But, I personally think you should take some distance with the literal texts by, for example, listening more what tell you your 5 other senses by the way of sciences.

And if you haven't experienced yet that it could be bad to trust 100% biblical texts, the simple facts that it can put you away from what tell you your 5 other senses should warn you. Because, if you have a bad vision of what is the reality, you can't correctly deal with it, and you have more chances to be in danger, or to shut yourself to some constructive perspectives, because you can build nothing serious on a false vision of the reality.

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And if you haven't experienced yet that it could be bad to trust 100% biblical texts, the simple facts that it can put you away from what tell you your 5 other senses should warn you. Because, if you have a bad vision of what is the reality, you can't correctly deal with it, and you have more chances to be in danger, or to shut yourself to some constructive perspectives, because you can build nothing serious on a false vision of the reality.

For someone who places his faith in science, you sure spout a lot of conjecture.  Doesn't the logic of science stipulate that you should put your theory to the test?

Yes, yes, and I assume. I already said why I thought like that, and what should, according to me warn you. Well, now, for sure, you do the hell what you want.

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[Damn]Each time such or such fact of the Genesis, like the ark here, is seriously discussed and defended, it makes me feel like if the discussion couldn't be real.[/Damn]

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Just a question to jmfcst, or to those who believe in Genesis in general, I'm just curious, where are dinosaurs in the ark story, in your vision?

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"Did Noah's Ark Actually Happen?"

-Yes (Non-religious)

Hahaha.

You never know. The human being can be full of surprise!