Biggest French cities survivor - Strasbourg survivor

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Oh damn it, an attention for me with this big list, and I wasn't here. Yeah, I remember we had spoken about it a long time ago and I had spoken about 50,000+ cities, admitting that yeah, it might not fit this American forum, but the rule Fab found seems fine. Sry, was off the net.

Then, let's see this...

I won't blame Drancy now, because of its imam who became famous for fighting integrists and anti-zionists/semites.

Well, I must say I miss some knowledges for all the Parisian cities:

Levallois-Pérret (hey, we won't keep Balkanis that long, right?)
Issy-les-Moullineaux (you're annoying Santini)
Evry (you can be annoying Valls)
Villejuif (I don't like the name)
Rueil-Malmaison (I like the name still less)

Also, I would ask nothing but if there could be a map of France and of IdF with these cities, removing the eliminated ones each time, it could be very fine, but yeah, I know it would be fastidious, just saying.

Or, anyhow, I'd find a list by régions/départements more easy:

Ile-de-France:

Paris

Hauts-de-Seine (92)

Boulogne-Billancourt
Nanterre
Courbevoie
Colombes
Asnières-sur-Seine
Rueil-Malmaison
Levallois-Perret
Issy-les-Moulineaux
Neuilly-sur-Seine
Antony
Clamart
Sarcelles

Seine-Saint-Denis (93)

Montreuil
Saint-Denis
Aulnay-sous-Bois
Aubervilliers
Drancy
Noisy-le-Grand
Clichy
Pantin
Bondy
Epinay-sur-Seine
Sevran
Le Blanc-Mesnil

Val-de-Marne (94):

Vitry-sur-Seine
Champigny-sur-Marne
Ivry-sur-Seine
Maisons-Alfort
Fontenay-sous-Bois
Villejuif

Essonne (91):

Evry

Yvelines (78):

Versailles
Sartrouville

Val-d'Oise (95):

Argenteuil
Cergy

Seine-et-Marne (77):

Créteil
Chelles

Haute-Normandie:

Le Havre
Rouen
Evreux

Basse-Normandie:

Caen

Picardie:

Amiens
Beauvais

Nord-Pas-de-Calais:

Lille
Roubaix
Tourcoing
Villeneuve-d'Ascq
Dunkerque
Calais
Saint-Quentin

Champagne:

Reims
Troyes
Charleville-Mézières

Centre:

Tours
Saint-Maur-des-Fossés
Orléans
Bourges

Pays-de-la-Loire:

Nantes
Saint-Nazaire
Angers
Le Mans
Laval
Cholet
La Roche-sur-Yon

Bretagne:

Rennes
Brest
Quimper
Lorient
Vannes
Saint-Malo

Lorraine:

Metz
Nancy

Alsace:

Strasbourg
Mulhouse
Colmar

Franche-Comté:

Besançon
Belfort

Poitou-Charentes:

Poitiers
La Rochelle
Niort

Limousin:

Limoges
Brive-la-Gaillarde

Auvergne:

Clermont-Ferrand

Rhônes-Alpes:

Lyon
Villeurbanne
Vennissieux
Saint-Etienne
Grenoble
Valence
Chambéry
Annecy

Bourgogne:

Dijon
Chalon-sur-Saône

Aquitaine:

Bordeaux
Mérignac
Pessac
Pau

Midi-Pyrènèes:

Toulouse
Montauban

Languedoc-Roussillon:

Montpellier
Nîmes
Perpignan
Béziers
Narbonne

Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur:

Marseille
Aix-en-Provence
Avignon
Arles

Toulon
La Seyne-sur-Mer
Hyères
Fréjus

Nice
Antibes
Cannes
Grasse

Corse:

Ajaccio

Here it goes, I think forgot no one. For others I don't know, but for me I know it can help. Also, it might be too late now, but I'd have added Bastia in Corse. I'd also have added Agen (agglomeration of 76,000 people) Angoulême (agglomeration of 100,000 people, bigger than Niort), Cherbourg (agglomeration of 91,000 people), Tarbes (agglomeration of 77,000 people) and Albi which has 51,000 habitants alone. Just for those I thought about.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

OK, I'll keep your list, with geographical order.
But don't expect a map from me, too much work

Are the 5 cities in your post your first vote ?

Yeah, the map was only an idea, as I said it would really be fastidious.

Yeah, the 5 are my vote.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Sorry, Benoît, but we have to move on.

Yeah, yeah, sry, was off again. Thanks for the solicitation though.

Ans for Saint-Maur, oops, goat cheese, you know.

So, what's left...

Damn it! Balkanis! Santini! still here...

I maintain my last vote then:

Levalois-Perret
Issy-les-Moulineaux
Evry
Villejuif
Rueil-Malmaison

And too bad Saint-Nazaire is already gone...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Levallois-Perret
Issy-les-Moulineaux
Evry
Rueil-Malmaison
Neuilly-sur-Seine (I think I wouldn't be a fan of this empty and shut wealthy ghetto...)

Levallois-Issy-Neuilly: down with Hauts-de-Seine connection!

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Damn, wasn't here to defend Roubaix. And it's me who will have to defend Bretagne now if after Saint-Nazaire Lorient is attacked.

I'm sorry though but I can't help, down with the wealthy ghettos and home of annoying politicians in 92:

Levallois
Issy
Neuilly
Villeurbanne (yeah, the very few I've seen of it really looks like a typical empty suburb city)
Courbevoie

Oh, and, about Montreuil, it's seems to be quite interesting culturally and demographically speaking, then I'll keep it the longest possible in IdF personally.

And Boulogne is THE city of a part of my family, then I'll keep too.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Levallois
Issy
Neuilly
Evry
Vitry

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

This cathedral of Evry seems pretty nice.

And there have been far worse than what you showed of Villeneuve-d'Asq in term of modern architecture, which is called tradi-modern, Toulouse does that a lot too, and it's not always a success, but still better than other modern stuffs.

So, finally Levallois appears good. Though I can't put a city like Brest while there is still so much Parisian ones.

Levallois
Issy
Neuilly
Clamart
Clichy

(let's hope this way Montreuil is saved! 93 has to be saved while there is still so many 92!)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

The dark side of 92 has left, good, let's continue the job against wealthy ghettos though (it's more easy to kill poor ghettos than wealthy ones):

Neuilly
Issy
Champigny (what a ugly name)
Asnières (not a charming name either)
Versailles (except one castle, some large empty clean streets, and some traditional rightist catholic bourgeois, there is really nothing there, worth going away now)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Oh, damn it, I miss one round and that are Montreuil and Boulogne which leave...

Congrats all, all 93 has left, you've succeeding the job of eliminating the poors and tanned. Come on, you don't like the Seine-Saint-Denis Style?

And Brest and Dunkerque are out too, damn it, Brest is ugly, might have one of the most awful weather in the world, but it's an important city. And Dunkerque, dear, the Flemish architecture is nice there, and I like harbors. A better pic from there, more respectful of the grey too:



Anyhow:

Neuilly
Issy
Rueil-Malmaison (really an irritating name)
Saint-Maur
Versailles

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

And, Benoît, this is not a hunt against poors : it's just that I ask to myself: would I live here ?

Well, I wouldn't live in Neuilly, that's for sure. If you let me choose, I prefer to live in Neuilly than in Montreuil, though. That's all.

But, of course, as for me, I take into account historical aspects: I haven't voted for Epinay-sur-Seine in round 1 , and I delayed my vote for Boulogne-Billancourt or for... Champigny .

Keep it cool .
Voting for Versailles so early doesn't seem to me as a very clever idea, I'm sorry. Dunkerque and Brest and Saint-Nazaire aren't really "better"... or more important.

And you've got many other non-bourgeois cities to defend: Clermont-Ferrand, Saint-Etienne, Belfort, Calais (and a port what is more... oh, wait, are you going to save the "bourgeois de Calais"? ), Le Havre, Le Mans, Mulhouse, Mérignac, Marseille (?), Charleville (well... the latter is on my list ),
even Paris in a way, as you can't do better than Belleville and Ménilmontant (I talk about faux-poor neighbourhoods... those where it's now "in" to live... bobos wouldn't live in the NE of 18th arrondissement or NW of the 19th of course... )

Everyone has his criteria in this game, that's always the same...
And we are all irritated at one moment, because we lose, but, here, with our real survivormaniacs, there is no stupid vote

Yeah, my provocation shouldn't have been taken very seriously in case it has been, I wasn't giving any intentions to people in here, nor that I am actually leading a war against bourgeois, nor that I want to embody the dictatorship of proletarianism in here, was just a way to highlight the fact that poor places are more easily hunt than rich ones while both remain ghettos. And wealthy ghettos are the worst ones! Since that are those who discriminate others.

And since we were focusing on Parisian suburb here, the match 92-93 (in short the richest and the poorest départements in France) was interesting to see, and good for bashing.

So, that said, yeah, I maintain that according to such or such criteria some poor places would be of more worth to me, like Montreuil for example, but yeah, anybody got his reasons to go, and there would be no game otherwise.

I expected maybe it could be taken too much seriously, but well, it's just that I sometimes like provocation.

So, being a wealthy ghetto can be part of my criteria according to what are the competitors, but indeed not only...

Oh, and, about Belleville, according to what I've heard more and more, bobos are already been hunted...by Chinese! Humorists are right...

So, hmm, the hunt to the wealthy ghettos of 92 is almost ended maybe, fine.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Oh, Parisian suburb is almost done, good, soon we could begin to focus on real cities.

Antony
Versailles
Saint-Maur
Fontenay

I'll defend the beautiful 'Rade de Toulon', then, last one will be:

Pessac! (I don't know much western Bordeaux suburbs, more eastern ones, but it will pay for all I know of this metropolis, and if more of that you tell me it's a kind of cold bourgeois city, and anyhow it remains only a suburbian city...)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Yeah fine to get rid of Paris's cities, the empty and hypocritically pretentious Versailles's still here though! Too bad one more port has left, and the port of the Merlus moreover. Caring about seas would have always been a problem of France...

Versailles
Saint-Maur
Pessac
Mérignac

and...I'd be enclined to touch to the last suburbian cities that are those of Toulon, but as I said I won't touch to that beautiful harbour...

Then last one will be:

Beauvais (oh dear, only that name, along with the evocation of 'Oise', is depressive, the corner is more and more becoming a Parisian suburb moreover)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

I keep on focusing on getting rid of suburban cities first, while keeping those of Toulon, and even if Versailles isn't 'really' one of them, I've already made my case for that one:

Versailles
Pessac
Beauvais

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Damn it, Le Havre has been ousted now too, you really wanna deprive France of its ports.

Oh no, I keep Charleville, I would guess why some would eliminate it, but I'll keep it, for architecture of its central place, and well, with its economical situation, it has a kind of 'Far-West city' aspect nowadays, or something like that, which makes that I've something for it. It's kinda the same for Calais.

By the way, I don't get that you would eliminate Fréjus and Grasse before...Antibes! Quite a big example of an annoying and not especially esthetic resort city for what I've seen of it.

So:

Versailles
Antibes
Arles (well, I'm not a fan of the grey flat Camargue)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Versailles
Antibes
Saint-Quentin (don't know much about the city, but also really seems there is not much to know about it, don't seem to really have a kind of importance, I'm also surprised that it has more than 50,000 habitants)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Oh, Grasse before Antibes, there isn't even beautiful houses in Antibes...

Well, I'll join in for Cannes instead of Antibes, hoping that one will be quickly eliminated.

Versailles
Cannes
Saint-Quentin

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Fine for Cannes. And fine to see Antibes popping up.

Versailles
Antibes

(hmm, Châlon-sur-Saône, Niort, Orléans, Saint-Etienne, Bourges, all those are tempting... and la Roche-sur-Yon, no, I've something for the 'villes nouvelles' )

Never been in the center of the city but Niort would be neat, it has the reputation of being a 'small Venice', though it is also the city of insurance companies, less neat, and when you live in Poitou-Charentes, Niort and Deux-Sèvres are the 'consanguins' (consanguineous). .k, why not:

The consanguins.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Versailles
Cholet (well yeah, not much importance)
Chalon-sur-Sâone (see above, plus climate over there doesn't seem to be great)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Versaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaailles!
Chôlet

Oh and, I'll change Chalon, I just reminded that during the last years this city is one of the French cities which try to do the best in term of environment policies, and really develop 'Green Building', then this one will wait a bit for me.

My last one will be:

Bourges. Well, maybe a nice cathedral, maybe a nice part of the city made of channels and small gardens, a music festival which wouldn't be that bad, maybe a pleasant city to live, but, well, it remains a city from The Centre .

Also I get the possible reasons one would get rid of Languedocienne cities, but I have something for Languedoc, and if some parts of their cities can be awful, some other parts can be quite beautiful. Too bad Sète isn't here...

And, well, about Montpellier, Antigone, the 'Neo-Roman' district which is the big mark of Frêche on the city, is awful, empty, cold, and pretentious, but, beside this, really, this city is really pleasant architecturally, moreover, still beside this, it is one of the rare cities in France which succeeded to make live together modern and older architecture quite well, aside from the fact that economically it seems to be not so bad, the sun, and the beaches accessible by city's public transportation, tramway, n'en j'tez plus! .

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

No, no, I didn't say tramway was going to the seaside (at least not the last time I've been), only buses. Well, I haven't said it was a great city for ecology personally, though, I wonder if it's a lot worse than most of other French cities, especially when we look at the development of things like lotissements and everything that goes with it.

The only vulgarity we can find in this region is in places like La Grande Motte, or Le Cap d'Agde, but actually not in a city like Montpellier, and even Béziers or Narbonne, at least as I said above not a lot more than in other random French cities. The vulgarity of some sort of modern things is more the touch of an epoch than the touch of a region, in Languedoc it is mainly present on the seaside and due to the fact that this one has been a cheap spot for vacations on which the profitability of tourism has been the 1st criteria which directed the development of its urbanism. Then well, for heliotropism, eh, not surprising if a lot of jobs depend on what became the main activity of a region...

Ah, and in term of ecology, the fact that the center of the city of Montpellier is shut to cars, is quite pleasant.

The adoration for Montpellier can sometimes be annoying but, well, it also has some interest...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Finally!

Chôlet
Bourges
Colmar (oh yes, I find these over-protected, over-neat, kind of Alsatian cities kinda annoying)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Nice Maison de le Culture.

And yeah, this pic of Montpellier shows quite well how the Antigone stuff is awful. But Montpellier deserves better than that!

First, when you arrive by train, when you go out of the station by the main door you arrive on the Rue de Maguelone, a pretty pleasant one, here with the Tramway:









That Rue de Maguelone links the SNCF station to the Place de la Comédie which is the biggest and most famous square of the city:





Then, you have also the Porte du Peyrou (nicest entry in the center of the city):





And not far from this gate you have a nice aqueduc:





Ok, I like this city.



Vote:

Chôlet!
Colmar (yeah, Colmar over Mulhouse indeed )

and hmm, why not Evreux, yeah, long time I look at that one, but didn't want to touch it so far, one more cathedral, a not so bad situation in Normandie, but yeah:

Evreux

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Cholet
Colmar

hmm, I can't eliminate Le Mans before Laval, even though I must say that Laval is a total mystery for me, and sometimes I even think it's like I prefer it to stay a mystery, but still it seems less important than Le Mans, and the 2 cities wouldn't be so different in the way they are. And there is also that small Vannes still here, hmm...

Laval (only over Vannes because Vannes has the Golfe of Morbihan for itself). Oh yeah, it's also the base of the biggest Milk group in France, which owns a lot of cheeses 'Lactalis', only thing I knew about this city, I also know milk producers don't like those much...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Laval
Vannes
Colmar

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Colmar (the pot-de-fleur city )
Vannes
Quimper (attack on Bretagne! well, quite the opposite of Brest, I would see it like a kind of Breton Colmar in term of kind of city)

(Pau, Orléans, Aix, Amiens, Ajaccio, would be next on my list)