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Question: What should we do about Assad's Regime + ISIS/L?
#1
Take out Assad + ISIS
 
#2
Take out Neither
 
#3
Take out ISIS (but enforce no-fly)
 
#4
Take out ISIS (no no-fly)
 
#5
Take out Assad only
 
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dead0man
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« on: December 31, 2015, 06:33:53 AM »

I, like most people, have no idea.  But I can promise you one thing, no matter what option we actually end up going with, the assholes in the future will tell us it was the wrong choice.
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dead0man
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2015, 02:02:45 PM »

There will be no prospect of peace until Bashar al-Assad is removed from power.  The rebels are adamant about that.  So our first priority should be to negotiate his removal.  Once that is done, then everyone can gang-up on the Islamic State. 
And that's the last thing Iran and Russia wants, we don't exactly have a good tract record recently getting those two to do what we want.  Embarrassingly bad even.
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dead0man
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2016, 12:15:30 AM »

Seriously though, I think the US and Russia should order a ceasefire in X days, and any parties not prepared to abide by such terms should be treated as enemies of the peace. That would include ISIS (obviously) but also any pro- and anti-Assad factions and groupings. From then on, play good cop, bad cop with Russia to oust Assad and give him exile, install a transitional leader in Syria from the current ruling party to prepare for elections in X years, send targeted drones after the leadership of factions still fighting in Iraq, prepare for an independent Kurd state and try to reform Iraqi governance under non-stupid means (i.e. no al-Malaki/Shia supremacists). In the long term, gather the leadership of Iran and Saudi Arabia and continually bash their heads together until they agree to wind down their childish feud; and generally blockade MENA dictatorships/rebel groups from arms imports.

no fly is basically garbage
Lots of good ideas, but like Frodo's, you've got to get Russia and Iran to play ball in getting rid of Assad, and they are not going to do that and we're too soft to properly pressure them into anything.  I do agree getting rid of Assad would be huge, but we lost our opportunity to do that when Russia got seriously into the game.  Should have done it two years ago....hell, should have done it decades ago, but whatever.  His wife was so nice! Roll Eyes
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dead0man
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2016, 08:06:26 AM »

Americans/Westerners thinking they can still have any kind of significant power on this region, cute.
wait wait wait....I thought this was all Dubya's fault (because it was all wine and roses before or something).  How can we both have no power and be the entire reason for the mess?
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dead0man
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2016, 08:15:57 AM »

Americans/Westerners thinking they can still have any kind of significant power on this region, cute.
wait wait wait....I thought this was all Dubya's fault (because it was all wine and roses before or something).  How can we both have no power and be the entire reason for the mess?

Hey, was it 'Happy New Year 2006!!' lately??
So you're saying we had power in 2006, but not now?  What's changed?
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dead0man
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2016, 08:28:24 AM »

We don't have to worry about it anymore guys, our always smooth, never miss firing Sec of State has asked Hollywood producers what to do about it.




(and you guys wonder why he lost in 04)
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