2009 State and Federal elections in Germany

[Franzl]

ZDF exit poll:

CDU: 37.5%
SPD: 23.5%
FDP: 17.0%
Greens: 13.5%
Left: 5.0%

[Franzl]

What's turnout like [qm]

not entirely sure....but somewhere like 4-5% less than last year...so maybe somewhere around 56-58%.

[Franzl]

Eagerly awaiting the Frankfurt am Main VI results ...

In which district of Frankfurt is Lewis actually in ?

Lewis is in Frankfurt V, I think.


and Hashemite: I love the FDP results.....and the Greens (only because they've ruined the SPD )

[Franzl]

exit poll update (18:44):

CDU: 37.2
SPD: 23.8
FDP: 15.8
Green: 13.8
Left: 5.1
others: 4.3

[Franzl]

1st town is in: Hesseneck

SPD: 42.6 (-8.0)
CDU: 28.4 (-1.9)
FDP: 11.1 (+7.2)
Greens: 10.0 (+4.1)
Left: 6.1 (+0.7)
Nazis: 0.8 (-0.5)
Republicans: 0.6 (+0.1)
BüSo: 0.3 (+0.3)

there are quite a few more now...not that they mean anything.

[Franzl]

my town (Groß-Umstadt) is boring/average as always:

CDU 35.3
SPD 25.7
FDP 15.8
Green 14.7
Left 5.2

[Franzl]

two interesting results:

Königstein im Taunus: (rich suburbs of Frankfurt)

CDU 47.6
FDP 27.6
Greens 10.7
SPD 10.5
Left 2.1


Marburg (always incredibly left-wing, not entirely sure why)

SPD 29.9
CDU 24.1
Greens 22.7
FDP 12.3
Left 9.1

[Franzl]

For anyone that's interested in the full preliminary result:

CDU 963,800 / 37.2% (+0.4%)
SPD 614,653 / 23.7% (-13.0%)
FDP 420,383 / 16.2% (+6.8%)
Greens 356,007 / 13.7% (+6.2%)
Left 139,080 / 5.4% (+0.3%)

"Freie Wähler" 42,139 / 1.6% (+0.7%)
NPD 22,184 / 0.9% (nc)
REP 15,697 / 0.6% (-0.4%)
Pirates 13,784 / 0.5% (+0.2%)
BüSo 4,130 / 0.2% (+0,2%)

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total turnout: 2,670,412 / 61.0% (-3.3%)

invalid votes: 78,555 / 2.9% (+0.5%) (those invalid votes are included in turnout figures in Germany)

[Franzl]

FDP in Berlin, WTF?

[Franzl]

HPs, all of them

[Franzl]

We're having a Landrat election here in Darmstadt-Dieburg on Sunday (something like County Board Chair in the U.S., I'd say, even though it's not exactly the same thing.)

Not to be attention whoring....but I face a serious dilemma here

We've only got 2 candidates.....one from the SPD and one from the CDU, and I know that the CDU guy is pretty much an idiot....

and this might force me to cast my first ever SPD vote....that's truly frightening for me

I'm not the kind of person to stay home....though.....

[Franzl]

We're having a Landrat election here in Darmstadt-Dieburg on Sunday (something like County Board Chair in the U.S., I'd say, even though it's not exactly the same thing.)

Not to be attention whoring....but I face a serious dilemma here

We've only got 2 candidates.....one from the SPD and one from the CDU, and I know that the CDU guy is pretty much an idiot....

and this might force me to cast my first ever SPD vote....that's truly frightening for me

I'm not the kind of person to stay home....though.....

Well alright.....I voted for the SPD guy just a couple of minutes ago......now please forgive me while I take a shower.....


On a side note, the state of Berlin is voting in a referendum today about whether to allow religion as a regular school subject in public schools.

In most German states, it is possible to take Catholic or Protestant religion....or take a class known as "ethics"....one of them is almost always mandatory.

In Berlin, however, "ethics" is mandatory, and religion class is not allowed as a substitute, and may only be taken voluntarily, but doesn't count for anything.


It is likely that the referendum to allow religion in Berlin will fail....either by getting less than 50% of votes cast.....or even more likely by failing to get 25% of eligible voters, as required by Berlin.

[Franzl]

We're having a Landrat election here in Darmstadt-Dieburg on Sunday (something like County Board Chair in the U.S., I'd say, even though it's not exactly the same thing.)

Not to be attention whoring....but I face a serious dilemma here

We've only got 2 candidates.....one from the SPD and one from the CDU, and I know that the CDU guy is pretty much an idiot....

and this might force me to cast my first ever SPD vote....that's truly frightening for me

I'm not the kind of person to stay home....though.....

Well alright.....I voted for the SPD guy just a couple of minutes ago......now please forgive me while I take a shower.....


On a side note, the state of Berlin is voting in a referendum today about whether to allow religion as a regular school subject in public schools.

In most German states, it is possible to take Catholic or Protestant religion....or take a class known as "ethics"....one of them is almost always mandatory.

In Berlin, however, "ethics" is mandatory, and religion class is not allowed as a substitute, and may only be taken voluntarily, but doesn't count for anything.


It is likely that the referendum to allow religion in Berlin will fail....either by getting less than 50% of votes cast.....or even more likely by failing to get 25% of eligible voters, as required by Berlin.

Interesting.

Does the "Yes"-side need to get at least 25% of all eligible voters or is a general turnout of 25% needed ?

I believe it's 25% of all eligible voters. Think I read that in Focus.

[Franzl]

We're having a Landrat election here in Darmstadt-Dieburg on Sunday (something like County Board Chair in the U.S., I'd say, even though it's not exactly the same thing.)

Not to be attention whoring....but I face a serious dilemma here

We've only got 2 candidates.....one from the SPD and one from the CDU, and I know that the CDU guy is pretty much an idiot....

and this might force me to cast my first ever SPD vote....that's truly frightening for me

I'm not the kind of person to stay home....though.....

Well alright.....I voted for the SPD guy just a couple of minutes ago......now please forgive me while I take a shower.....


On a side note, the state of Berlin is voting in a referendum today about whether to allow religion as a regular school subject in public schools.

In most German states, it is possible to take Catholic or Protestant religion....or take a class known as "ethics"....one of them is almost always mandatory.

In Berlin, however, "ethics" is mandatory, and religion class is not allowed as a substitute, and may only be taken voluntarily, but doesn't count for anything.


It is likely that the referendum to allow religion in Berlin will fail....either by getting less than 50% of votes cast.....or even more likely by failing to get 25% of eligible voters, as required by Berlin.

Interesting.

Does the "Yes"-side need to get at least 25% of all eligible voters or is a general turnout of 25% needed ?

I believe it's 25% of all eligible voters. Think I read that in Focus.

So, if it splits 50-50, about 50% of all eligible Berliners would have to vote. That's rather high.

If 40% vote, the Yes-side needs to win with 63% ... and so on - to pass.

Exactly.

Actually, the press has specuated that Wowereit set this date on purpose to get low turnout, as opposed to doing the referendum on the same day as the EU elections.

[Franzl]

estimated turnout: 29%

The proposition has certainly failed.

In order to get 25% of eligible voters.....YES would have to win 86.2% of the votes.

A shame actually, I was supporting the YES side.

[Franzl]

And we've got a relatively close race for Landrat actually....I thought it'd be a much easier win:

Darmstadt-Dieburg:

Schellhaas (SPD): 52.9%
Buschmann (CDU): 47.1%

with 79% of precincts reporting

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Darmstadt-Dieburg:

Schellhaas (SPD): 54.4%
Buschmann (CDU): 45.6%

obviously nobody besides me cares , but that's the final result with 100% reporting.

[Franzl]

Berlin election site says:

19:10 - Auszählungsstand 87,8%. Kopf an Kopf Rennen zwischen JA und NEIN.

God....this is going to be a terrible result as far as the percentage of eligible voters is concerned.

[Franzl]

Berlin election site says:

19:10 - Auszählungsstand 87,8%. Kopf an Kopf Rennen zwischen JA und NEIN.

God....this is going to be a terrible result as far as the percentage of eligible voters is concerned.

Interesting: Western Berlin voted Yes with about 65%, Eastern Berlin No with about 70%+

Overall, No won with 51.3-48.5

Ahh..didn't refresh the page often enough.....didn't see that the results had already come in.

[Franzl]

I'm not really surprised about the East/West difference.

[Franzl]

in case you (Al or anybody else) care about more specific numbers:

http://www.wahlen-berlin.de/

[Franzl]

oh Lord....not this again.

[Franzl]

oh Lord....not this again.

Considering that CDU/CSU used to overpoll by 2-5% in recent state elections, there's a slight chance that the race could tighten up quite a bit ...

my fears precisely, yes. The CDU/CSU always tend to underform compared to pre-election polls.

I'm now quite worried about September.

[Franzl]

The Bundespräsident election will take place this Saturday, in which incumbent Horst Köhler (CDU) will be taking on Gesine Schwan (SPD), and some socialist is running, too.

This is an indirect election, and the voting will take place in the Bundesversammlung, a body made up of members of parliament and certain others.



vs.



current composition of the electoral body:

CDU/CSU 497 40,6%
SPD 418 34,2%
FDP 107 8,7%
Grüne 95 7,8%
Linke 90 7,4%
Freie Wähler 10 0,8%
NPD 3 0,2%
DVU 1 0,1%
AFV 1 0,1%
SSW 1 0,1%

It is likely, but not certain, that Köhler will get the support of the "Freie Wähler".

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Anyway, I'm extremely pleased the Köhler was re-elected. He's definitely one of my favorite politicians (if you can even call him one) at the present time.