Plymouth or Jamestown?

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Write in: Philadelphia.


And to Orser67's point in the other thread:  American Nations is an excellent read and has pretty objective takes on all of the different cultures.  Including the Puritans... intolerance towards outsiders and what we modern Americans define as "Liberty" and personal freedom.

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Write in: Philadelphia.


And to Orser67's point in the other thread:  American Nations is an excellent read and has pretty objective takes on all of the different cultures.  Including the Puritans... intolerance towards outsiders and what we modern Americans define as "Liberty" and personal freedom.

I guess that's why the Puritans in England allowed the Jews to return to the country after 400 years of being banned under the Catholic turned Anglican monarchy.

"While other colonies welcomed all comers, the Puritains forbade anyone to settle in their colony who failed to pass a test of religious conformity.  Dissenters were banished.  Quakers were disfigured for easy identification, their nostrils slit, their ears cut off, or their faces brandished with the letter "H".  Puritans doled out death sentances for infractions such as adultery, blasphemy, idolatry, sodomy and even teenage rebellion. They fined farmers who tended to their crops, raked hay or hunted birds on the Sabbath.  Boston magistrates put Captain Thomas Kemble in the stocks in 1656 for kissing his wife on his doorstep after a 3 year absense-"lewd and unseemly behavior" in the eyes of the court.  Early Yankeedom was less tolerant of moral or religious deviance than the England it's settlers left behind."

American Nations pg. 58, Colin Woodward.

This is to say nothing of their abysmal relations with the Native Americans.  In fairness, the values of self-governance and democratic norms that the Puritains introduced are nothing short of astonishing.

But this narrative as Puritan New England being some progressive, open minded utopia where everyone gets along is part of a sanitized and idealized version of 4th grade US history and the American story, whereas the truth is far more complex and gray.  Plus, at least part of this has partisan motivations-the Democrats want to align with N.E. to portray the Republicans of representing the slave-society south.  

There is a great thread from 5-6 years ago (which I'm sure NC-Y remembers) that goes into far more detail on this.  It's called "the inconvenient US history thread " or something like that, I bookmarked it in 2019.


Edit: said thread https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=184903.0