"God bows down to Donald Trump"

[T'Chenka]

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition
 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders
and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[T'Chenka]

How are there Christians who believe this?

There aren't.

The people who believe this aren't Christians. (Except in their own imaginations.)

Sure they are. Do they meet the moral and theological parameters? Probably not. But if we applied such a standard, the pews would be empty. So, assuming they self-identify as such, that's exactly what they are.

No no no no no no no no NO. I was told again and again, adamantly, confidently and aggressively, that trans people don't get to decide how they are identified based on their feelings, that the FACT that they meet the biological definition of a man means that they cannot be considered a woman. I was told by these same "christian" trumpanzees that our logic dictated that they could self-identify as an attack helicopter and we would have to respect that identity, and that obviously that was ridiculous as the biological facts didn't show they were a helicopter.

These people do NOT follow the teachings of Christ. They are not christians. That's an objective fact. They spent all this time and energy screaming about how you have to meet the proper definitions or else it doesn't count. Why the f__k should we now accept that they FEEL like they are christians, based on no actual facts?

[T'Chenka]

Trump/God 2020 !

Trump/Judas 2020

"I like deities that don't get captured (and crucified)."

[T'Chenka]

How are there Christians who believe this?

There aren't.

The people who believe this aren't Christians. (Except in their own imaginations.)

Sure they are. Do they meet the moral and theological parameters? Probably not. But if we applied such a standard, the pews would be empty. So, assuming they self-identify as such, that's exactly what they are.

No no no no no no no no NO. I was told again and again, adamantly, confidently and aggressively, that trans people don't get to decide how they are identified based on their feelings, that the FACT that they meet the biological definition of a man means that they cannot be considered a woman. I was told by these same "christian" trumpanzees that our logic dictated that they could self-identify as an attack helicopter and we would have to respect that identity, and that obviously that was ridiculous as the biological facts didn't show they were a helicopter.

These people do NOT follow the teachings of Christ. They are not christians. That's an objective fact. They spent all this time and energy screaming about how you have to meet the proper definitions or else it doesn't count. Why the f__k should we now accept that they FEEL like they are christians, based on no actual facts?

If we limit the definition of "Christian" to "people who follow the teachings of Christ," there are no Christians in this country.

Sounds about right, or close to it. Maybe they should come up with a new name for their religion that isn't sacrilege. Christ and Trump are not compatible without a heaping portion of cognitive dissonance.

[T'Chenka]

They believe in the teaching of some cool hippie who was all for love and having people giving up stuff for the poor, etc, and who was opposed to the religious establishment of his day.  The Bernie Sanders Jesus.  That view downplays his claims of being the Son of God who states that EXCLUSIVE belief in him as the ONLY way to salvation is (A) something they don't want to accept

This is me you're describing, except I don't claim to be a christian. I like to say "Jesus was a great and wise man, as was Gandhi."

[T'Chenka]

They believe in the teaching of some cool hippie who was all for love and having people giving up stuff for the poor, etc, and who was opposed to the religious establishment of his day.  The Bernie Sanders Jesus.  That view downplays his claims of being the Son of God who states that EXCLUSIVE belief in him as the ONLY way to salvation is (A) something they don't want to accept

This is me you're describing, except I don't claim to be a christian. I like to say "Jesus was a great and wise man, as was Gandhi."

So how do you get around Jesus saying he was the Son of God?  That he would rise again from the dead?  That belief on him is necessary for the remission of sins?

Lots of brilliant people are mentally ill or have opinions that are wrong. I'm sure the guy who invented the wheel believed the world was flat. Humans are imperfect and we can't forget that. Martin Luther King Jr. was a homophobe, and not a mild one either.

Having worked on a psychiatric unit at one time in my life doing emergency admission work, I can tell you that there are lots of crazy people who claim the sort of things about themselves that Jesus claim.  Would you take them seriously if they said the cool Bernie Sanders stuff Jesus said while remaining properly medicated?  (Even then, such people still be open to say the outlandish, because psychotropic meds may regulate mood, but they don't regulate thought; they'd merely be disturbed, but better-behaved or more calm.)

Seeing as I view Jesus as a philosopher, I can take seriously the good philosophy and discard the religious claims that he made.

That's a serious question, because you can't bifurcate Jesus Christ in the way you do.  You can't take the Bernie Sanders part of Jesus that leftists find attractive and like to cite without the rest of what Jesus said, let alone what Jesus said about who He is.

Sure I can. Just like I can take MLK Jr's ideas about race and equality and socialism  and leave the LGBTQ beliefs.


I know MANY christians that bifurcate the Holy Bible all the time, picking and choosing hich aee the "important rules and lessons" and which are the "rules and lessons that are in the book, but most people ignore them including my pastor so I pretend that God cares about those parts of the book less". This is the thinking that leaders to Trumpism.

[T'Chenka]

They believe in the teaching of some cool hippie who was all for love and having people giving up stuff for the poor, etc, and who was opposed to the religious establishment of his day.  The Bernie Sanders Jesus.  That view downplays his claims of being the Son of God who states that EXCLUSIVE belief in him as the ONLY way to salvation is (A) something they don't want to accept

This is me you're describing, except I don't claim to be a christian. I like to say "Jesus was a great and wise man, as was Gandhi."

So how do you get around Jesus saying he was the Son of God?  That he would rise again from the dead?  That belief on him is necessary for the remission of sins?

Lots of brilliant people are mentally ill or have opinions that are wrong. I'm sure the guy who invented the wheel believed the world was flat. Humans are imperfect and we can't forget that. Martin Luther King Jr. was a homophobe, and not a mild one either.

Having worked on a psychiatric unit at one time in my life doing emergency admission work, I can tell you that there are lots of crazy people who claim the sort of things about themselves that Jesus claim.  Would you take them seriously if they said the cool Bernie Sanders stuff Jesus said while remaining properly medicated?  (Even then, such people still be open to say the outlandish, because psychotropic meds may regulate mood, but they don't regulate thought; they'd merely be disturbed, but better-behaved or more calm.)

Seeing as I view Jesus as a philosopher, I can take seriously the good philosophy and discard the religious claims that he made.

That's a serious question, because you can't bifurcate Jesus Christ in the way you do.  You can't take the Bernie Sanders part of Jesus that leftists find attractive and like to cite without the rest of what Jesus said, let alone what Jesus said about who He is.

Sure I can. Just like I can take MLK Jr's ideas about race and equality and socialism  and leave the LGBTQ beliefs.


I know MANY christians that bifurcate the Holy Bible all the time, picking and choosing hich aee the "important rules and lessons" and which are the "rules and lessons that are in the book, but most people ignore them including my pastor so I pretend that God cares about those parts of the book less". This is the thinking that leaders to Trumpism.

Just exactly how do they do that?  Which verses are important and which verses are avoided/minimized/not mentioned?

Lots of Old Testemant stuff, fenale inequality stuff, I could go on if I had more time right now.

[T'Chenka]

The thing about Jesus the "moral philosopher" (Quid ergo Athenis et Hierosolymis?) is that he's really not unique and he's certainly not uniquely admirable. The "historical Jesus" is a self-aggrandizing and occasionally even violent apocalypticist who swings back and forth between preaching what was actually within the mainstream of Pharisee moral theology at the time (I'm sorry to use TV Tropes language for something so serious, but the Pharisees as portrayed in the Gospels are suffering from a historical villain upgrade) and demanding that people abandon their families and economic obligations to follow him around listening to more of this. The "Christ of faith" is the only Jesus Who's still a convincing moral exemplar once you dispense with the presupposition that you have to like the guy.

Maybe this is lazy of me, but I view being a philosopher as "developing and sharing ideas that current and future generations can use", so I don't take into account things that don't apply to future generations (ie, leave your family and job and physically follpw me around the Middle East).

[T'Chenka]

We're not asking you to vote Democratic; we're calling out that your full-throated, enthusiastic support for Donald Trump ensured he would be the Republican nominee again in 2020 after the partial support you gave him in 2016 enabled him to sneak into the nomination with a plurality.

Something sounds wrong about "full-throated, enthusiastic support for Donald Trump". I think it's the "full-throated" part.

[T'Chenka]

We're not asking you to vote Democratic; we're calling out that your full-throated, enthusiastic support for Donald Trump ensured he would be the Republican nominee again in 2020 after the partial support you gave him in 2016 enabled him to sneak into the nomination with a plurality.

Something sounds wrong about "full-throated, enthusiastic support for Donald Trump". I think it's the "full-throated" part.

It’s a reference to vocalization, not sex.

Oh yes, I know. It's just that Trump supporters have been accused of (metaphorically) fellating Trump instead of judging his words and actions objectively. Some of us associate MAGA supporters and Trump with fellatio, amd then along comes a post saying they offer him "full-throated support". I thought it was apt, intentionally or not.