CIO Fox guest: "Great blessing" that old Americans can't afford to retire

[T'Chenka]

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/fox-business-guest-retirement-spin_n_5d246316e4b0583e4826fb55

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research released on Monday suggested 23% of workers expect to never stop working.

"It’s not like it hurts. Why would I stop it? This is great. What a great country where we have the opportunity to keep working. What a miracle where our lives are long enough and we’re healthy enough and mentally alert enough so we don’t have to retire like generations before us. This is a great blessing. You should embrace it."

This is EXTREMELY disturbing. Legitimately reminds me of 1984 or some other futuristic dystopia.

[T'Chenka]

There’s nothing wrong with work, and people should not be FORCED into retirement.  If people want to retire, thats also fine.

This discussion is not about the legal right to retire when and if you want.

It's about a sad and serious economic problem we have going on and Fox News claiming that the problem is actually a blessing.

[T'Chenka]

Some conservatives would like to train people into settling for less by making it seems great. I worked at a department store in retail support a few years ago with a 67 year old grandmother who was living in a rented room with only a hot plate to cook on. Sure, she was able to do the work, but who wants to work, live paycheck to paycheck and barely get by past 65?

That old loser should've pulled herself up by her bootstraps.

[T'Chenka]

Two of these in the same week, wow.

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/07/09/Fox-host-Thank-God-we-live-in-the-kind-of-country-where-you-can-work-multiple-jobs/224144

Here we have Fox hosts praising America for giving us the ability to work 3 or 4 jobs. Not ONCE do they talk about how some people need to do this just to survive. It's only spun is a positive way, praising freedom and capitalism.

[T'Chenka]

Horrible. This is why I fully understand why some Americans are attracted to the ideas of AOC and Bernie. But their blind spot is multiculturalism. Their open borders fantasy will always enable capitalism to foster.

The combination of capitalism and multiculturalism really leads to the worst possible outcome for the general populace, especially those in worse socio-economic positions.

Are you legitimately trying to claim that multiculturalism has an actual tangible negative effect on national economics and the lower class?

I've seen arguments like this regarding illegal immigration, but multiculturalisn? This is a massive crock of sh__.

[T'Chenka]

Horrible. This is why I fully understand why some Americans are attracted to the ideas of AOC and Bernie. But their blind spot is multiculturalism. Their open borders fantasy will always enable capitalism to foster.

The combination of capitalism and multiculturalism really leads to the worst possible outcome for the general populace, especially those in worse socio-economic positions.

Are you legitimately trying to claim that multiculturalism has an actual tangible negative effect on national economics and the lower class?

I've seen arguments like this regarding illegal immigration, but multiculturalisn? This is a massive crock of sh__.

Multiculturalism causes social cohesion to decline and individualism to increase. The result: less willingness to pay into a system that upholds a welfare state. Moreover, mass immigration of working-class people drives down wages (and slows down automation and innovation). The main losers of such policies are the native working classes (of whichever color). Middle-class people lose too, as they benefit from a welfare state and good public facilities (also thinking of education here) too as well as being affected by the decrease of public safety. The only ones who benefit are the literal 1%.

Multi-culturalism doesn't necessarily go hand-in-hand with ongoing mass immigration. If Trump completely shut the borders and closed the airports today and stopped allowing foreigners to even vacation here, it would still be a multi-cultural nation going forward.

[T'Chenka]

Horrible. This is why I fully understand why some Americans are attracted to the ideas of AOC and Bernie. But their blind spot is multiculturalism. Their open borders fantasy will always enable capitalism to foster.

The combination of capitalism and multiculturalism really leads to the worst possible outcome for the general populace, especially those in worse socio-economic positions.

Are you legitimately trying to claim that multiculturalism has an actual tangible negative effect on national economics and the lower class?

I've seen arguments like this regarding illegal immigration, but multiculturalisn? This is a massive crock of sh__.

Multiculturalism causes social cohesion to decline and individualism to increase. The result: less willingness to pay into a system that upholds a welfare state. Moreover, mass immigration of working-class people drives down wages (and slows down automation and innovation). The main losers of such policies are the native working classes (of whichever color). Middle-class people lose too, as they benefit from a welfare state and good public facilities (also thinking of education here) too as well as being affected by the decrease of public safety. The only ones who benefit are the literal 1%.

Multi-culturalism doesn't necessarily go hand-in-hand with ongoing mass immigration. If Trump completely shut the borders and closed the airports today and stopped allowing foreigners to even vacation here, it would still be a multi-cultural nation going forward.

And even then the U.S. would be very multicultural and, partly because of it, have way lower public support for the type of extensive welfare state that you would see in Western Europe. It's possible to overcome this in a couple of generations if you close the border and use civic nationalism to push for integration (which I think is the right way forward), but even then, the further away immigrants are from American culture, the more difficult it gets - especially because we should increasingly beg the question what it is exactly that immigrants should integrate into: the consensus on this has completely been eroded.

"People are racist therefore they hate welfare that isn't only for whites. However, the LONG-TERM solution is to appease the racists!"

You sound like a clown. I'm sorry.

[T'Chenka]

"People are racist therefore they hate welfare that isn't only for whites. However, the LONG-TERM solution is to appease the racists!"

You sound like a clown. I'm sorry.

A strawman, a personal attack and no argument. Pretty weak.

Not a strawnan at all. Please explain what part of my summary of your ideas about welfare and race and the solution to that problem is inaccurate, wording aside. I'll wait.

[T'Chenka]

"People are racist therefore they hate welfare that isn't only for whites. However, the LONG-TERM solution is to appease the racists!"

You sound like a clown. I'm sorry.

A strawman, a personal attack and no argument. Pretty weak.

Not a strawnan at all. Please explain what part of my summary of your ideas about welfare and race and the solution to that problem is inaccurate, wording aside. I'll wait.

Nah. I'm not going to waste my time responding to your trolling explaining why your simplified and distorted version of my argument is wrong. You can simply respond to my argument.

I want to respond, but I don't understand it fully according to you. Can you clarify?