Pelosi attacks congressional Justice Democrats

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/opinion/sunday/nancy-pelosi-pride-parade.html

Some House liberals have been furious with the speaker since she capitulated to Republicans and Democratic moderates and agreed to pass a bill to send more funding to the border, giving up demands for stronger protections for the migrant children ensnared in the nightmare of shelters there.

The article described the outrage of the Squad, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts are known.

Pelosi feels that the four made themselves irrelevant to the process by voting against “our bill,” as she put it, which she felt was the strongest one she could get. “All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world,” she said. “But they didn’t have any following. They’re four people and that’s how many votes they got.”

And now the response from the congressional Justice Democrats...
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/07/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-nancy-pelosi-border-funding-bill/index.html


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

"I don't believe it was a good idea for Dems to blindly trust the Trump admin when so many kids have died in their custody. It's a huge mistake," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted Saturday, echoing comments she made to CNN following the June vote on border funding.

Rashida Tlaib

"I honor the fact that we are there ... all of us have these experiences that I think have been missing in the halls of Congress. Honor that, respect that, put us at the table. Let's come up with a solution together," Tlaib said. "Still, I will not support anything that is broken and that dehumanizes people."

Ilhan Omar

"You know they're just salty about WHO is wielding the power to shift 'public sentiment' these days, sis," Omar wrote on Twitter. "Sorry not sorry."

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Omar's statement in two steps short of publicly calling Pelosi a racist. If they disagree so profoundly with the party, maybe they should join the Republicans.

This post is bad and you should feel bad.

[T'Chenka]

Ah, there's that call for 'unity,' again! AOC is the only reason Pelosi still has a job and wasn't tossed out on her wrinkly ass.

Omar's statement in two steps short of publicly calling Pelosi a racist. If they disagree so profoundly with the party, maybe they should join the Republicans.

oh piss off troll

How is this true? I'm not sure how a freshman member of Congress could wield such influence.

AOC and the Progressive Caucus whipped up the votes to keep the queen on her throne.  Were you not paying attention this year?

Yes, I'm sure Nancy Pelosi was in danger of losing her speakership until AOC so generously lent her support. No.

Yes.

I'm not responsible for your memory problems, bud.

You aren't wrong, but you're implying that AOC supported Pelosi because she is pro-Pelosi. That's inaccurate.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/417520-ocasio-cortez-signal-of-support-is-good-news-for-pelosi

“Right now, out of the field, I would say that [Pelosi] is the most progressive candidate. All of the rebellion for the Speakership are challenges to her right, and so I think it's important to communicate that,” said Ocasio-Cortez

My standard in this is: I'm going to support the most progressive candidate that's leading the party, and right now, that is Nancy Pelosi, in terms of the running. I would like to see new, younger leadership, but I don't want new leadership that's more conservative."

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Ah, there's that call for 'unity,' again! AOC is the only reason Pelosi still has a job and wasn't tossed out on her wrinkly ass.

Omar's statement in two steps short of publicly calling Pelosi a racist. If they disagree so profoundly with the party, maybe they should join the Republicans.

oh piss off troll

How is this true? I'm not sure how a freshman member of Congress could wield such influence.

AOC and the Progressive Caucus whipped up the votes to keep the queen on her throne.  Were you not paying attention this year?

Yes, I'm sure Nancy Pelosi was in danger of losing her speakership until AOC so generously lent her support. No.

Yes.

I'm not responsible for your memory problems, bud.

You aren't wrong, but you're implying that AOC supported Pelosi because she is pro-Pelosi. That's inaccurate.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/417520-ocasio-cortez-signal-of-support-is-good-news-for-pelosi

“Right now, out of the field, I would say that [Pelosi] is the most progressive candidate. All of the rebellion for the Speakership are challenges to her right, and so I think it's important to communicate that,” said Ocasio-Cortez

My standard in this is: I'm going to support the most progressive candidate that's leading the party, and right now, that is Nancy Pelosi, in terms of the running. I would like to see new, younger leadership, but I don't want new leadership that's more conservative."

I did not and do not dispute that, but that doesn't mean AOC and the progressives could not have cucked her if they had the chance.

I'm sure AOC was positively itching to cuck her, but she put the American people ahead of her own political rivalries. Just imagine a MORE conservative corporate establishment puppet in that role instead of Pelosi.

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Pelosi is absolutely right that AOC is in the minority & can't dictate how the House works, & for the most part, the House Dems have passed a lot of good, left-wing legislation. AOC initiated this battle by promising to oust moderate Dems, & Pelosi (as Speaker) is partially responsible for protecting her party from attacks, including those from within it. As the House Leader, she represents what most Dems want, & the vast majority aren't on AOC's side.

This is accurate, however, the job of those Dem congressmen & congresswomen is to represent the vast majority of the Democrats, which is the Democrat voters and not the legislative representatives. Over 50% of Democrat voters want progressive policies that Justice Dems offer and corporate establishment types do not.

I can see the argument from both sides, but AOC is completely justified in saying "the data clearly shows that Americans want us nowadays and not Pelosi types. Primary the establishment and we can get representation for the Democrat voter base into congress and actually accomplish what the Democrat voters want accomplished." Pelosi can and should fight to keep her job, but she should also DO her job as a representative of the voters.

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Pelosi's counter strike is effective strategy to go against the attacks perpetuated by the Justice Democrats, who want everything in their power to change the party for a far-left white base dwelling in gratification Brooklyn. None of these dip knots have ever pass anything close to a legitimate legislative bill that has changed the lives of the working person. Pelosi on the other hand has spent years on being one of the strictest advocates for progressive change in America.

Pelosi has talked like a progressive (at times), but when it's time to actually deliver, she ALWAYS delivers for the establishment and corporate America, unless it's a non-economic issue. Calling Pelosi a progressive is a cringe humorless joke.

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Pelosi's counter strike is effective strategy to go against the attacks perpetuated by the Justice Democrats, who want everything in their power to change the party for a far-left white base dwelling in gratification Brooklyn. None of these dip knots have ever pass anything close to a legitimate legislative bill that has changed the lives of the working person. Pelosi on the other hand has spent years on being one of the strictest advocates for progressive change in America.

Pelosi has talked like a progressive (at times), but when it's time to actually deliver, she ALWAYS delivers for the establishment and corporate America, unless it's a non-economic issue. Calling Pelosi a progressive is a cringe humorless joke.

To be fair to Pelosi, "ALWAYS delivers for the establishment and corporate America, unless it's a non-economic issue" is a fair summation of the 21st century Democratic party. There's the odd exception, but by and large that's what they do.  It's awful (marginally less awful than Trump and the GOP, but still awful) but it's not like if she she wasn't there that would be different.

Your post is 100% correct. This is exactly why AOC and progressives want these useless thumb-twiddlers out on their butts. Liberals are tired of our politicians serving the rich and the corporations. Working families and the 99% (the non-1%) need to come first. The rich and the corporations will do just fine actually paying taxes. The economy will  not collapse (see: Sweden, Denmark, etc).

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The part that is so infuriating about the impeachment fight is that if the situation was reversed the republican mentality would be to impeach and when a dem senate does nothing make it a referendum in the next election. Seriously how much more of a slam dunk can you get then Trump ordering aides who don’t work for him anymore to ignore subpoenas? Or his actions with the census?

Pelosi works for the donors and lobbyists, who LOVED Trump's tax cut and love GOP deregulation. The Democrats are in many cases paid by their donors to either lose or not rock the boat. Pelosi impeaching Trump wouldn't be good financially for her puppet masters.

Joe Biden won't reverse Trump's tax cuts and regulate Wall Street. Biden won't force Amazon to pay taxes, at least not a realistic amount. Bernie Sanders will. Elizabeth Warren will.  In 2024, Ocasio-Cortez will.

Some would argue that getting the Democratic Party back on track and uncorrupted is more important overall than exactly how left wing or centrist some of the policies of Bernie / Warren are. Plug the holes on tbe ship, prevent sinking, get the water out, and then you can worry about exactly which direction you want to sail the boat.

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Cortez is now doubling down with attacking the political party she claims to register as. I would have deep distrust of someone like her if I were walking in Pelosi shoes.


https://twitter.com/Ange_Amene/status/1148430544834719744

People forget that she is basically part of the TYT caucus in the House . TYT is what started the justice democrats

TYT have blood on their hands from the deplorable attacks on the party. It's the mission of Cenk and co to dismantle the party by replacing lone time representatives with new elected officials that want to go against the party wishes.

Blood on their hands? Lol. You're being a drama queen.

The rest of your post is accurate, but it's a good thing not a bad thing.

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Not many times I find myself praising Pelosi, but good on her.

Those children need to learn their place.

Please explain your reasoning.

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She gives them way too much attention through simple acknowledgement.

AOC is already a recognizable household name. 

This kind of delusional thinking can only result from an overdose of Atlas.

I live in Canada, within driving distance of Toronto. In the last 6 to 8 months, many very average people that I know of all different ages, personalities and interests suddenly know who AOC is. These aren't particularily political people either for the most part.

We're living outside of America and she's a household name here. More than likely she's even more well known inside of America.

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Is the SJW left now trying to claim that Justice Democrats are racist for not primarying Republicans (they're DEMOCRATS) but for primarying somebody who has black skin, regardless of how good or bad they are at their job or how corrupt they are?

Claiming everything is racism makes it a lot harder to call Republicans out on real racism. Justice Democrats are also extremely diverse in race and religion. Accusing them of racism is almost laughable.

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https://twitter.com/HouseDemocrats/status/1149856308801286148

The clapping emojis are cringe (like everything the Democrats do when they try to be cool), but defending Sharice Davids is great and necessary. I do wish they'd defend AOC too when the conservatives attack her with mysogenistic comments, but she should fire that staffer or give him a stern warning for attacking Davids.

It's really not.  Sharice Davids represents the worst of the left.

..Because of this t-shirt?

That's a pretty disturbing t-shirt to be fair. Being proud specifically that your ancestors KILLED somebody is f___ed up, as opposed to being proud that your ancestors fought bad people and by necessity had to kill them. It's basically the same thing but when you choose to phrase it in a way that celebrates manslaughter, it's not helping the "let's all come together" narrative. It's a race war mentality.

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https://twitter.com/HouseDemocrats/status/1149856308801286148

The clapping emojis are cringe (like everything the Democrats do when they try to be cool), but defending Sharice Davids is great and necessary. I do wish they'd defend AOC too when the conservatives attack her with mysogenistic comments, but she should fire that staffer or give him a stern warning for attacking Davids.

It's really not.  Sharice Davids represents the worst of the left.

..Because of this t-shirt?

That's a pretty disturbing t-shirt to be fair. Being proud specifically that your ancestors KILLED somebody is f___ed up, as opposed to being proud that your ancestors fought bad people and by necessity had to kill them. It's basically the same thing but when you choose to phrase it in a way that celebrates manslaughter, it's not helping the "let's all come together" narrative. It's a race war mentality.

WTF do you call killing people who come to murder you, enslave your family, destroy your culture and take your civilization's wealth if not "being proud that your ancestors fought bad people and by necessity had to kill them"?

I love the United States very much, and am proud of our better ideals and our struggle to live up to them. As a nation, we've made some great contributions to the humans race (and a lot of great mistakes as well). But let's not delude ourselves about how we started out or how we got here.

The Age of Exploration was technologically impressive, but it led to a great many objective reprehensible actions that have only very recently started to be countered. Our immediate English-speaking forefathers at Jamestown and Plymouth were respectively failed conquistadors who became drug-merchants and murderous religious fanatics. The Founding Fathers were smugglers and scofflaws. They also had some great ideals, that inspired people to be better than they were.

We can and should continue that tradition of striving to become better than we are, but deluding ourselves about the worst parts of our history will not help us get there.

I agree with everything in your post, but I'm not sure you understood my point.

We need to be creating a culture that rejects racism and violence, and when we celebrate past battles, we should be focusing on the victory aspect and viewing the violence and murder as unfortunately necessary means to that end. In my opinion, her shirt seems to imply that she is proud of the violence, not the battle and victory that required violence to acheive. Some might not see a big distinction, but I do.

Another way to explain myself here might be to say that she's taking a "Malcolm X" approach to the subject, whereas I and many others think a "Martin Luther King" approach is what society needs in regards to rejecting racism moving forwards.

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Just lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1150496351010115586

Woooooooooow.

These women are a threat to their power, and by being anti-corruption, their donors' power as well. This is pathetic but it goes to show you how seriously threatened the establishment Dems are as the progressives gain favor in tne limelight. This war is just beginning. It will soon extend to Sanders and Warren versus the DNC, Biden amd Harris in the presidential election. Much is at stake.