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« on: June 22, 2020, 12:05:18 PM »

Honestly the best idea for the Feds is to become socially liberal, but remain economically conservative. This is similar to the New Dems IRL, culture wars issues like abortion are very polarizing, and it’s much easier to seek deregulation and tax cuts rather than banning access to abortion services and other forms of reproductive healthcare. If the feds, ever got back into power I’d also expect them to push fiscally conservative policies, and not focus on polarizing wedge social issues like gun control, abortion, or same sex marriage. This platform might help them peel off some more moderate left wing voters, ftr, I’ve said many times on Discord that this “soclib fiscon” approach is their best idea. So, I guess the best way to say this is that they should become neoliberals or a more economically conservative version of the Third Way Left that emerged under Bill Clinton’s presidency. But yeah, at this point the Feds need to stop being socially conservative to have a chance, imo. I guess they can make Tom Carper their idol and model Tongue.
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S019
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2020, 12:17:47 PM »

Honestly the best idea for the Feds is to become socially liberal, but remain economically conservative. This is similar to the New Dems IRL, culture wars issues like abortion are very polarizing, and it’s much easier to seek deregulation and tax cuts rather than banning access to abortion services and other forms of reproductive healthcare. If the feds, ever got back into power I’d also expect them to push fiscally conservative policies, and not focus on polarizing wedge social issues like gun control, abortion, or same sex marriage. This platform might help them peel off some more moderate left wing voters, ftr, I’ve said many times on Discord that this “soclib fiscon” approach is their best idea. So, I guess the best way to say this is that they should become neoliberals or a more economically conservative version of the Third Way Left that emerged under Bill Clinton’s presidency. But yeah, at this point the Feds need to stop being socially conservative to have a chance, imo. I guess they can make Tom Carper their idol and model Tongue.

Guns are not a partisan issue in Atlasia, a pretty solid chunk of the left is pro-gun and one of the most vocal people against the AWB is in the Peace Party.

No one has touched the issue of same sex marriage in the Atlasian right (except for maybe Ben Kenobi doing some ranting at some point).

Abortion is also not really a partisan issue in Atlasia either, as there are many pro-life members on the left, as well as pro-choice members on the right.


You really should stop providing bad advice, especially when it's clear you have no clue what you are talking about.

Those are just examples of social issues, but my point is that social issues remain very polarizing, and running on say tax cuts is a much easier sell than running on restricting reproductive healthcare. (Usual caveats about IRL to Atlasia comparisons) For example, here in NJ, the Republicans regularly run on tax cuts and many are pro-choice, iirc, Christie was. So, maybe you guys should take a page out of the playbook of Northeast Republicans or another idea is just to go full-on Rockefeller Republican.
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S019
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2020, 12:33:28 PM »

Honestly the best idea for the Feds is to become socially liberal, but remain economically conservative. This is similar to the New Dems IRL, culture wars issues like abortion are very polarizing, and it’s much easier to seek deregulation and tax cuts rather than banning access to abortion services and other forms of reproductive healthcare. If the feds, ever got back into power I’d also expect them to push fiscally conservative policies, and not focus on polarizing wedge social issues like gun control, abortion, or same sex marriage. This platform might help them peel off some more moderate left wing voters, ftr, I’ve said many times on Discord that this “soclib fiscon” approach is their best idea. So, I guess the best way to say this is that they should become neoliberals or a more economically conservative version of the Third Way Left that emerged under Bill Clinton’s presidency. But yeah, at this point the Feds need to stop being socially conservative to have a chance, imo. I guess they can make Tom Carper their idol and model Tongue.

Guns are not a partisan issue in Atlasia, a pretty solid chunk of the left is pro-gun and one of the most vocal people against the AWB is in the Peace Party.

No one has touched the issue of same sex marriage in the Atlasian right (except for maybe Ben Kenobi doing some ranting at some point).

Abortion is also not really a partisan issue in Atlasia either, as there are many pro-life members on the left, as well as pro-choice members on the right.


You really should stop providing bad advice, especially when it's clear you have no clue what you are talking about.

Those are just examples of social issues, but my point is that social issues remain very polarizing, and running on say tax cuts is a much easier sell than running on restricting reproductive healthcare. (Usual caveats about IRL to Atlasia comparisons) For example, here in NJ, the Republicans regularly run on tax cuts and many are pro-choice, iirc, Christie was. So, maybe you guys should take a page out of the playbook of Northeast Republicans or another idea is just to go full-on Rockefeller Republican.


Do yourself a favor and stop talking.

Ultimately those are the choices that the Feds have, a Rockefeller Republican image could help peel off moderates, also disavowing social conservatism also helps with socially liberal moderates and center-leftists. In a way this “fiscon soclib” approach is a form of triangulation. Triangulation is what you desperately need.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2020, 04:20:14 PM »

Anyway,
Maybe we should dissolve all parties like during JCP/RPP era!

And follow it with a draft!

As interesting as a draft sounds, that leads to ideologically incoherent parties and people will just migrate to where they feel they fit ideologically, maybe you get breakaway caucuses, etc. This would end similarly to the Whig Party of the early-mid 19th century, which dissolved as it was unable to satisfy the demands of both of its northern and southern wings, and as a result collapsed when it could not take a proper position on the growing sectional divide.

Also, mandatory party dissolution seems like a bad idea, I feel that within three weeks to 1 month, similar parties will have formed and everything would be back to how it is now, or close to it. Anyways, the only real solution for the right is to move left on social issues, a lot of the negative images around them come from polarizing social issues, and I shouldn't have to say this, but attempting to defend the Confederacy is an absolute no-no, and just serves to lose you tons of votes as you come off as racist, if you defend the Confederacy. Running on something like tax cuts seems like a better idea for the right. They don't even have to be cuts for the wealthy, maybe you know something like "cutting red tape" or supporting some type of deregulation of financial markets is an idea that they could try for. Basically, the right's best approach is to try to win over socially liberal voters who have become disgusted with socially conservative politics. There's lots of ways for the right to be successful, imo, but it starts with ending the fixation on polarizing culture war issues.
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