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Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror
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« on: June 07, 2023, 04:10:00 PM »
« edited: June 08, 2023, 08:21:25 AM by Doug Burgum Stan »

Haiti desperately requesting outside help and potentially receiving it is neither "imperialism" nor "neocolonialism", particularly when such intervention comes from their Caribbean neighbors rather than distant foreign powers.

Addressing the comment about "stifling Haitian sovereignty": Haitian sovereignty has already effectively ceased to exist. Haiti is a failed state with a government consisting entirely of empty chairs and interim officeholders. It is completely unable to control either the gangs or mobs. The best they can manage is for police to control less than one fifth of the neighborhoods in Port-Au-Prince, and nothing anywhere else. The Haitian government only exists as a legal fiction at present, and does not exercise sovereignty over anything.
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Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2023, 06:29:24 PM »

Haiti desperately requesting outside help and potentially receiving it is neither "imperialism" or "neocolonialism", particularly when such intervention comes from their Caribbean neighbors rather than distant foreign powers.

Addressing the comment about "stifling Haitian sovereignty": Haitian sovereignty has already effectively ceased to exist. Haiti is a failed state with a government consisting entirely of empty seats and interim officeholders. It is completely unable to control either the gangs or mobs. The best they can manage is for police to control less than one fifth of the neighborhoods in Port-Au-Prince, and nothing anywhere else. The Haitian government only exists as a legal fiction at present, and does not exercise sovereignty over anything.

Haiti would probably be better off today if the French just took a “no mercy” approach to Haitian Revolution, as much as I hate to say it. But I don’t know if it would be worth it for the destruction said approach would’ve caused.

Horrifically repugnant post that has earned you the honor of being the first admission to my ignore list.

It’s terrible, but it’s true. I mean, what happened to the Indigenous people of North America was absolutely horrific. But now, the USA and Canada are some of the most prosperous countries on the planet. It’s just how it sometimes goes.

This is genuine: What the f**k is wrong with you?
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Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2023, 12:15:30 PM »
« Edited: June 08, 2023, 12:20:40 PM by Doug Burgum Stan »

I suppose a “popular uprising” is only on the tables when the United States supports it? Hopefully Haitians drive out the gangs and the foreign invaders who have drove the island to poverty since its inception. In all that time their spirits have not been broken.

Requesting and receiving foreign aid to stabilize Haiti is obviously better than having an island-wide turf war between the cutthroat gangs and the Bwa Kale vigilante squads who stomp people to death. There is little reason to believe that unorganized vigilante groups will be able to defeat the gangs nationwide if left to their own devices, occasional local successes aside. There also isn't any reason to believe that the rule of unorganized vigilante mobs would be good in the first place, even if it were a marginal improvement over current gangs. I know that a "people's revolution" of some form is an important part of your bizarre socialist eschatology, regardless of whether it takes the form of a descent into anarchy led by vigilante death squads. However, a vast majority of normal people think that would be a bad outcome. The best thing that could happen for Haiti is an intervention by it's neighbors to restore order, followed by a return to elected democratic government.
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