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« on: September 18, 2011, 07:10:07 PM »

Does the SoEA have a response to Hashemite's post?

I do.

In real life, certain details conflict with the fiction we have built in Atlasia. No one here is arguing that either Somaliland or South Sudan are perfect countries, but they currently lack much play on the international level, Somaliland in particular. Many problems plague those two countries, but in Atlasia's universe, they have shown willingness to budge. If international recognition and diplomatic influence can be granted to nations in exchange for their willingness to change I see no real downside.

I support abolishing the GTO, frankly. I never liked it, when I was Senator I was the only one to oppose expanding it, and I think it's pointless overall. But as it exists, it makes little sense to exclude these two.

The proposal leaves out one nation that was considering joining; Nigeria. The reasons for that are because they were stubborn and unwilling to change any of their policies in return for joining the GTO in either my or Ben's reporting. So they don't get to join. We have some standards.

To try and argue this purely on a realistic level would be missing the point. The very existence of the GTO is a silly fictional change that exists purely for Atlasia's purposes. A game reason is as legitimate as anything else, in my view. The GTO is given some sort of importance in the game, we have a storyline that actually matters, we have something for the Senate to do, in turn, both Ben and I have something more to continue reporting on.

I don't feel compelled to explain my reasoning to a close-minded DoEA. If my constituents have concerns, or other Senators, I will be glad to explain.

You almost never seem to explain your reasons for nearly any bill.

The way this is written it sounds, at least to me, like the Government is given the authority to do whatever it wants to do as long as it is passed off as "necessary to implement the provisions of the treaty" in the other member countries.

On a side note, as long as we are talking about the GTO, why not make the office of GTO Ambassador non-playable?

Personally that's why I think complaining about South Sudan and Somaliland joining the GTO is actually kind of amusing. We're arguing about their standing to join a completely fictional international organization with membership procedure that would be completely outrageous and unacceptable in real-world circumstances.

Though I still support abolishing it, of course. Tongue

As for your side note, I would strongly caution the Senate against such a thing. The GTO Ambassador is hardly a critical position, but it's helpful and has some worth, where before the GTO was practically irrelevant. That is an improvement. Both I and the SoEA, people who are actually in the position to be impacted by such a decision the most, are firmly opposed to getting rid of it.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 07:53:10 PM »

I think it would be fair for me to say that what remains of the Cabinet at this point doesn't feel like we're going to be listened to/respected regardless of what we say or do these days.

As I said before, they have shown a desire to improve, they have proven that they can take positive steps. Although we often use real-life knowledge as a basis for what we do in Atlasia, this game is a different reality from the actual present. As such, I believe game-reasons are as legitimate as any other.

To try and argue this purely on a realistic level would be missing the point. The very existence of the GTO is a silly fictional change that exists purely for Atlasia's purposes. A game reason is as legitimate as anything else, in my view. The GTO is given some sort of importance in the game, we have a storyline that actually matters, we have something for the Senate to do, in turn, both Ben and I have something more to continue reporting on.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 08:01:11 PM »

Let me get this straight. You're saying that because this is a game, and our positions in this game is to make policy, that for the sake of a game where our goal is to make policy, we should adopt a policy that is a bad policy, because it will somehow help the game?

If that is the case then why not stop making policy altogether so you and Ben can create fun little sideshow stories?

I am saying because this is a game, and because Ben and I (and the SoIA, should we ever have one ever again) have the ability to shape the reality within this game, our reality takes precedent over reality reality.

The very existence of the GTO itself is a silly fictional organization that would draw a ton of diplomatic fire in the real-world anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 08:11:46 PM »

I certainly have no problem abolishing the GTO or withdrawing from it. I wanted to do the same thing two years ago.
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