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« on: July 19, 2022, 06:39:55 PM »

2028 is plausible only if a Republican wins 2024 and completely sh*ts the bed for four years. Otherwise, 2032 or 2036 is more likely.

This. I can see Texas being the Colorado of the early 2000s, the state that Democrats target and keep losing, but eventually something gives.
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2022, 10:33:19 AM »

Anyway I don’t think Texas will turn blue but I sort of think it will be where FL was from 96-16 where it’s a Republican tilting battleground state but democrats win it in good years for them .



I could see this.  I think it will consistently disappoint statewide, but Dems have an EC style natural advantage in the legislature.  They are likely going to control the lower house in any election  where the average statewide Republican margin falls below 4ish.  That makes it categorically different from Florida 1996-2016 because at some point Dems would have a say in the state government.

They probably do take at least some of the legislature as soon as we have a Republican midterm.
So maybe instead of a state that is Tilt R at the top and Likely R at the bottom, it can be more Tilt R to the bottom. Maybe a better example would be a Republican version of Minnesota or North Carolina.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2022, 03:36:40 AM »

TBH I'm not sure it ever will.  It has tightened, but it's not that close to the national median yet and Republicans seem to be doing a fine job "backfilling" their lost voters through attracting conservatives from other states and the Hispanic working class trend.  It's gotten close enough that Dems should eventually win the lower house of the legislature on the geographic bias, and perhaps a couple statewide offices in wave years, but that looks like their ceiling for now.

You mean the Democrats will come back some, but not enough to change the policy of that state. To me, Texas adopting reasonable or even realistic policies is more important than the state being won by a D President. It’s simply too dangerous to live there.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2022, 02:09:54 PM »

TBH I'm not sure it ever will.  It has tightened, but it's not that close to the national median yet and Republicans seem to be doing a fine job "backfilling" their lost voters through attracting conservatives from other states and the Hispanic working class trend.  It's gotten close enough that Dems should eventually win the lower house of the legislature on the geographic bias, and perhaps a couple statewide offices in wave years, but that looks like their ceiling for now.

You mean the Democrats will come back some, but not enough to change the policy of that state.

Well, I think they will get close enough to scare the libertarians (generally the dominant block in the TX R coalition) into telling the hardline social conservatives off before they lose control.  For example, I doubt the total abortion ban will stick for long (at the very least, more exceptions will be added).  They will also have people like Musk increasingly calling the shots behind the scenes. 

Which in normal circumstances would be what the GOP needs to do in general.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2022, 11:14:13 AM »
« Edited: October 14, 2022, 11:20:35 AM by Person Man »

Yes, a purple Texas. Not a solidly blue one unless Democrats start getting 2/3 of the vote in places like Harris and DFW (which I don’t think is necessarily out of the question in the four core counties that make up the latter by the end of the decade). Democrats should have enough votes in the places they need to have at least one major statewide win by the end of this decade is my point. Probably beating Ted Cruz in 2024 or 2030 is my guess.

For my DFW point, I fear you underestimate the bloodbath that is coming this decade from places like Collin County and Denton County flipping. And we haven’t seen Democrats peak in Tarrant yet either.

I think Dems will start occasionally picking up a statewide win here or there by the end of the decade. Unlike GA though, I think the GOP has a very viable path to keeping Texas competitive and maybe even swing it back their way in the far distant future. I think one could make a case (assuming current trends continue) that the GOP has a higher ceiling with hispanics than Dems do with whites, mostly due to education divide. Non College hispanics are a much much higher percentage of the hispanic vote than college educated whites are of the white vote. White voters are also rapidly declining as a share of the population while latino voters of all types are the fastest growing demographic. There's also the factor that out of state whites moving in have also tended to lean R based on surveys I've seen. Collin and Denton are very likely gone long term for Rs because of the high income voters there, Tarrant I think will be moderately gone short term but Rs have future upside with hispanics and Tarrant overall is much more working class than Collin, Denton or Dallas. Harris and Bexar also have long term hispanic upside for Rs along with the RGV. If hispanic voters never eventually flip though, the TX GOP is pretty much done in a decade's time.

Another thing to consider and I have been beating this drum: If Hispanics no longer deliver for Democrats, they will simply look to peel more off of the WWC. This is what the Howard Dean 50 state strategy was about after it looked like after the 2004 election that relying on Hispanic voters wasn't delivering (they either stay home or vote Republican). It was eventually shelved when Hispanics "came home" in the Obama years.

 If Hispanics become that problematic for Democrats, they will be given space to triangulate on some of the issues that have made less-educated but also less-religious suburban and rural white vote more Republican. Ala the Danish Soc Dems or better yet, when Bill Clinton did his Sista Soulja thing  when he won back enough Reagan (but not Nixon) Democrats by emphasizing a shift in resources from combating extreme poverty to fighting violent crime. A cop on every corner. The era of Big Government is over. Et cetera. Et cetera.

Either Polis, Whitmer, Warnock, Fetterman, or Shapiro can say, in 2028 or 2032, "Not everyone who wants to come here should stay here", "were not a racist country", and "there is other ways we can help oppressed and endangered people other than moving them here".
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