PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Person Man]

I think the mainstream media still has a lot of respect for Oz as one of their own, plus Fetterman doesn't fit in with the intolerable Democrats that they like, so I'm not surprised they're going all in against him.

Whether the media is more competent against Fetterman than they were Trump is another question, however.

[Person Man]

The enemies of the people-
https://decider.com/2022/10/13/joy-behar-the-view-executive-producer-clash/amp/

[Person Man]

I get that people here are desperate for a (pseudo)leftist to be as unpopular as Dr. Oz but I think it's over, folks. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fetterman win by 5 points now, which is an achievement in PA this year after having a stroke.

Blue avatars, it's time to do some soul searching. You can't just say "socialist, weak on crime" anymore and win.

This is ridiculous - with a debate that let’s be honest is going to be a net negative for Fetterman - there is no way in hell this is over. Personally I’ve bet the farm on Oz on PI. Hope I’m wrong

It’s not really in the hands of the candidates. It’s in the hands of the lueggenpresse.

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/njgavio/status/1581286846973476865

ElectionsGuy literally argued Rs would win this race by 5 points lol and that only 2 points would be lost for candidate quality /s

Anyone who makes under $100000 a year who votes for this guy, maybe $200000 if they have a family, is a total beta Cuck virgin. Especially after being told to eat bugs by someone you still want to vote for.

[Person Man]

I cannot imagine the cringe of watching a congressional session and seeing "Senator Oz from Pennsylvania" being introduced. This is going to be so embarrassing. An animal torturing, dimestore Dr. Phil, snake oil salesman liberal cosplaying as a conservative Republican. America has hit rock bottom.

And Again, another wake up call ignored. If 2016 wasn’t it, then 2022 and 2024 will be the final case study needed in favor of ESG/technocracy.

[Person Man]

I swear to God, if this race or Georgia slips away, I’m becoming a nihilist. Already, I’m becoming less trusting.

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/YAppelbaum/status/1581632052394221569

Journalist is FASCINATED that not everyone thinks sick or disabled people are worthless like he does.

Are we really making half of the midterm a referendum on the value of women, children, animals and the disabled?

[Person Man]

Was shown a poll today showing a modest Fetterman lead. Among Fetterman's supporters, 97% support him "strongly" with only 72% of Oz's supporters saying the same.

What do you mean “modest”? 3-5%?

[Person Man]

This is a hot mess

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1582108736746754048

Even Rick Scott pushed that through.

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1582727447774396417

These voters are going to cost the Democrats next month. I thought that the man in Ohio was particularly reasonable, and he's actually quite similar to me. He identifies with Ryan more, in terms of temperament and background, and doesn't like Vance on a personal level, but he does not approve of the Biden Administration and aligns with Vance more on policy. And I certainly understand why the woman is voting the way she does.

She is concerned about inflation and the economy, and less so about abortion (although it's obvious that she's pro-choice). Polls have indicated that this is true for many other women, who have trended towards Republicans in recent weeks. What these voters show is that the American electorate has a more nuanced view of the two parties than many on this forum do, and are motivated more by issues that directly impact them than issues that don't. This has always been true.

Yes we get it, there are a bunch of idiots who don’t understand how the economy works in America. But it will be hilarious to watch them get beaten up and re-educated for having voted D in the past. Absolutely amazing.

They both are such airheads, they come in blue raspberry flavor.

At least we know why we are struggling, right?

[Person Man]

This is one where I don't think low expectations help Fetterman like Walker, because it seems like people will be more willing to punish Fetterman.

If you have a “D” next to your name you’re held to astronomically higher standards than if you have an “R” next to your name.

Exactly.

I imagine once Fetterman stumbles on a few words, the narrative will instantly be back to "Is he fit to serve???"

The Lame-Stream "Liberal" Media folks! Enemy of the people.

[Person Man]

I figure I would offer my two cents on what's going on here in Cambria and Indiana counties. Many pundits feel that Fetterman will do better with WWC voters here. So far, I can say that I have no clue what will happen in Cambria. Maybe he will do a point or two better at most. Nobody really has any yard signs up. I work in Johnstown and Fetterman does have support here as far as signs go but there probably not even 10 signs total between the two of them. When he was here last week 300 people showed up, which surprised me. I feel more confident about an overperformance in Indiana county mostly because of visible signs. There are more Fetterman signs than there were ever Biden signs in 2020, in Indiana borough.  Oz still lags Mastriano in signs and it's not close in both counties, for a long time there were no signs. On an interesting note, I went to high school with Oz's campaign manager. He was a year behind me.

Thanks for this. It's hard not to get optimistic about Fetterman's chances in these more red areas, especially given the enthusiasm that he seems to bring. From what I can tell, is Oz even doing anything in these areas?

I think there is definitely a case to be made right now regarding both - Fetterman seems to be taking Philly for granted a bit (still unhappy that there's only been 1 event here in the last month+), but Oz at the same time seems to be taking the red areas for granted too - assuming that just because they went for Trump by blood red margins that they'll turnout for him too. Which is certainly possible, but at the same time, you don't even have a GOP Governor campaign trying to GOTV for you at the same time. Oz has seemingly made more a concerted effort to peel away voters with these one-off events in Philly and other suburban counties.

At least on the signs front, it seems like Fetterman has enthusiasm in both red and blue counties. (signs don't vote, i know), but interesting that Oz seems to lack enthusiasm in signs in both red and blue counties on the opposite end.

Fetterman does feel like an incumbent trying to battle off a “anybody but Fetterman” campaign.

[Person Man]

Was in the gym earlier and finally got to witness the onslaught of ads (the channel was on CBS I believe)

IIRC:

1 anti Lisa Scheller

1 pro Lisa Scheller

2 anti Susan Wild

1 pro Chrissy Houlahan

2 pro John Fetterman (the one with him talking to the camera about family)

2 anti John Fetterman

1 of the "Citizens for Sanity" ads

1 anti Mastriano

None from Oz's actual campaign, so looks like SLF is taking care of him again this week

That Citizens for Sanity ad might be one of the most disgusting campaign ads I've ever seen. 

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/citizens-for-sanity-tv-ads-republicans-20221016.html
Never heard of Citizens for Sanity before, but I came across this in the Google results.

Yep, they are a dark money group founded by the worst of Trump remnants. Not very surprising, but gross and disturbing nonetheless. The commercials are most definitely some of the most disgusting campaign ads I've ever witnessed. They were all over the Phillies games in the past week, and looks like they're still running. Apparently they've put quite a bit of money into the whole venture, because while I was driving through a few different highways today, I saw "FETTERMAN = OPEN BORDERS" billboards with just like a photo of a bunch of what looked like latinos at the border. I was able to read the bottom line of one of them, and what do you know... it was paid for by "Citizens for Sanity". There probably at least 3 or 4 of them that I passed.

I mean, at least they weren’t jumping up and down screaming the N-word, right?

[Person Man]

Oz on tape responding to the puppy allegations - not a great answer!

https://twitter.com/AllAboutPA/status/1583417749484670976

He’s lucky he’s never a signed a document saying that as part of his user agreement, he has to be made into a part of a human centiPad.


I guess I can relate. I’m kind of lazy. But FFS, he’s rich. He could’ve just hired a lawyer or something.

[Person Man]

I saw one of those Citizens for Sanity ads last night. I said “wow” out loud at the end because it was so egregiously racist. Would make the Willie Horton ad blush.

Yep. It's insane how much money they are pumping into those.

This thing is not only abhorrent but really makes you think. If these are this effective, are most people actually racist?

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/PetrosKas/status/1583159727248531457

lol

Completely agree with Fetterman here, but I'd be surprised if this line of attack doesn't backfire on the #woke crowd. Wouldn't be surprised if I'm falling for a joke here, it just seems so out of left field for the Joe Six-Pack who doesn't know that Oz is a raging Turkish nationalist.

There's probably a huge Greek presence in Eastern and Western PA.

[Person Man]

If the Fetterman campaign is smart, they'll go all-in on a strategy to hit Oz for serving in the Turkish military and hint at him being Muslim in the last week. Democrats will hate this but, guess what? Most of them will have already voted via absentee ballot!

Fight fire with fire.

[Person Man]

Not watching the debate, but all the people informing me the sky is falling, left right or center, also said that Herschel Walker won his debate, so I'm going to assume that Oz slightly outperformed/Fetterman slightly underperformed expectations and it will not move the needle much either way.

Same here.

[Person Man]

The abortion line was pretty stupid in a state like Pennsylvania. Obviously Roe isn't going to be the only issue in the election, but saying abortion should be "between a woman, her doctor, and local political leaders" is very stupid. Got to imagine that gem ends up in some late ads.

Ultimately that will determine who “won” the debate. Who can make the most ads from it. There’s enough material for the Fetterman campaign for the next 13 days.

[Person Man]

Some of you are just absolutely awful people.  Like, awful.

It’s very possible that after the last 7 years, we’re all going to hell.

[Person Man]

I think Democrats have this vision every few years of a bunch of 35 year old single moms dropping their kids off at school and then electing Democrats all over the country because of abortion.

The fact is, most of those women are too busy to vote, and if they do, half of them vote like their Trump loving husbands, or their cop fathers, or their Trump-loving moms.

How are they single but have husbands?

[Person Man]

I think Democrats have this vision every few years of a bunch of 35 year old single moms dropping their kids off at school and then electing Democrats all over the country because of abortion.

The fact is, most of those women are too busy to vote, and if they do, half of them vote like their Trump loving husbands, or their cop fathers, or their Trump-loving moms.

Yeah, those stupid women and their -checks notes- disturbing lack of autonomy

They oughta just shut up and -checks notes- vote the way their male loved ones do, like how God intended when he didn’t put the right to vote for women in the Constitution

Or just involve the local politicians in their health care. Probably nothing will come of this debate and what was actually said in it and done afterwards will be more important.

[Person Man]

The biggest gaff of the night was not Fetterman struggling to find the words it was Oz's "abortion is between a woman, her doctor and local politicians" statement.

I’ll never not admire your side's perpetual optimism, but I’d strongly suggest seasoning it with a healthy dose of realism.

This makes this campaign about abortion again 13 days before the election? That’s pretty much hook, line, and sinker.

[Person Man]

Oz' answer kind of betrays that he is pro-choice in his heart but he needs to run as a quasi-abortion restrictionist, so he squares the circle with a moderate stance that he hopes won't offend a huge segment of voters.

This is my belief as well, and this is why I believe Oz will be a Generic, Establishment R if he wins. The man was pro-choice for most of his career, and only pivoted rightwards when he ran for political office. He's not going to be an extremist on this issue, and apparently indicated that he wouldn't support a national abortion ban. He was basically stating the primary argument that Dobbs made - to leave the decision to every state.

That was incredibly inarticulate.

[Person Man]

I think Democrats have this vision every few years of a bunch of 35 year old single moms dropping their kids off at school and then electing Democrats all over the country because of abortion.

The fact is, most of those women are too busy to vote, and if they do, half of them vote like their Trump loving husbands, or their cop fathers, or their Trump-loving moms.

How's the weather in 1950? I assume that's where you're from, since you unironically seem to believe that most women are too stupid to think for themselves and just wait for a men to tell them how to vote.

Not sure if this guy has a partner or has ever gotten laid with that attitude.