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« on: July 24, 2020, 08:17:34 AM »

Quite a few working class neighborhoods here in Atlanta that gave Trump 2% of the vote and will likely give him even less in November. But sure Ted, the GOP is the the party of the working class now.



Atlanta is 50 percent black.......and not rural america...




Racist.
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2020, 08:19:41 AM »

You’re beyond delusional if you think the Democrats are a party of the working class and not just a lifestyle party at this point. HAHAHA jfc.

Not sure who you guys think you're snidely talking to, lol ... but as has been said, "working class" has reached the point where it is meaningless (for God's sake, Leonardo DiCaprio would count as a "White working class voter" in the exit polls), and even if we divide Americans by income, poorer White voters are voting Republican, and poorer non-White voters are voting Democratic ... so there isn't a real "party of the 'working class,'" unless you are simply inventing your own definition of what "working class" means, and in that case you're probably also simply transposing an image onto each party of your own choosing, as well, making these images likely just as meaningless.

America is great, isn't it? It's a society with a vibrant class system but with no classes. I remember that argument with JJ like it was yesterday. Atlas gold.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2020, 01:42:17 PM »

Quite a few working class neighborhoods here in Atlanta that gave Trump 2% of the vote and will likely give him even less in November. But sure Ted, the GOP is the the party of the working class now.

The welfare class is not the same thing as the working class

So White people on welfare aren't working class?  Anyway, again regarding the OP, my thoughts in a more abbreviated manner...

- You likely aren't going to get the Democratic Party running to the economic right of the GOP within our lifetimes (I would argue they never have); that isn't what younger Democrats want, it isn't what the party leaders want and it's not what our average AMERICAN wants ... it's a fantasy of a minority of "Obama-Trump" and "Romney-Clinton" types (as in, not even a majority of these types) who are especially attached to their new camp ... so, I think you will always have at least some "pro-business" aspects to the GOP and economically left-of-center aspects to the Democrats.  That does NOT mean the GOP won't get more populist, as I believe it will, but it DOES mean that it likely won't actually provide economic policies more beneficial to the working class than the Democrats, at least on paper ... its support from working class people will likely still be circumstantial or reliant on social and cultural issues, which is fine!
- With that in mind, "populism" is NOT synonymous with an unsophisticated tone.  Someone who is an economic centrist and a hardcore social conservative (stereotypically "populist," it seems) could speak eloquently, seem dignified and not sound like Trump does.  I think that is what you will see in the future for the GOP, which I also believe will allow it to appeal to additional voters besides its current group (which, I might remind everyone here, is still made up of a LOT of middle class, upper-middle class and upper class Whites ... trends speak to how things are changing, not the current landscape).

That's believable but I don't think there will absolutely be no overlap. Even in relatively modernity you still have a handful of elected officials that overlap on class and even war issues though I imagine we may see less of it on racial and religious issues.

Maybe a voter in the Hawley mold would have been the quintessential swing voter between 1933/53 and 1973/95.
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