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« on: March 31, 2020, 02:42:27 PM »

Basically a state that mostly votes for a certain party but is bound to flip over the next decade.

For democrats I see Maine, Minnesota and New Hampshire as borrowed time states. Maine and New Hampshire are top 5 whitest states and Minnesota is whiter than both Ohio and Missouri. If Ohio is Misouri 2.0 then Minnesota is Ohio 2.0 (Wisconsin as well but they have voted R so many times we can't call it on borrowed time). Maine and NH could be WV 2.0 if locall whites start line up with the national trends, even Vermont could go from safe D to safe R in a snap.

For Republicans I only see Georgia. Texan minorities are more conservative and Romneycrats are a not enough to flip it. Florida is trending Republican with the retiree influx and North Carolina is the new Florida, the state democrats have the illusion they'll flip but never do.

There isn't like a permanent supply of rich(or at least rustbelters who think they are because they have a dozen guns and a half a million dollars) hexagenarians and septigenarians to keep the sunbelt Republican forever. There aren't enough Gen Xers that can afford to retire the way boomers did (there aren't as many Xers for that matter) and Millennials aren't going to be as rich or conservative even 30 or 40 years from now.  There's no reasonable scenario that only Georgia flips and the major states around it don't.

Texas I can see being saved by the fact that the minorities there may be more "aspirational" than minorities in other areas. If you consider Cubans white, Florida's demographics and voting habits start to make sense when you also account for the poor discipline of the state Democratic party.

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2020, 09:28:13 AM »

From R to D ~ Montana (to an extent) / Georgia (probably around 2028) / N. Carolina (probably around 2032) / Arizona (probably around 2022/2024) / Texas (probably around 2028)

From D to R ~ Minnesota (No idea when it might flip) / Wisconsin / Michigan / Maine / N.Hampshire

I think Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia vote for the next Democrat unless its a very close election. Even then, I think Arizona and North Carolina might still vote Democrat.

For the D to Rs, I think Democrats will still win all or at least all but one of them when they win again, maybe they won't need them the next time they win.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2020, 05:49:28 PM »

NH isn’t really a blue state, it’s always been close.

WI is definitely going to become Safe R one day. Even the suburbs are trending R.

MN has the twin cities metro area that’s still growing; I think Dems are good there.

I don’t know why Maine votes for Democrats in the first place.
Vermont is an underrated GOP pickup oppurtunity in 2020. It's the second-whitest state in the country after West Virginia.

I really hope this is satire.

That would be like hoping a place like Colorado Springs will start trending Democratic because its such a big town.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2020, 07:26:55 AM »

"Borrowed time" to me implies that a state has been dominated by its preferred party for quite some time (a generation or longer), demographic/social change away from the dominant party has been established, and the main factor keeping the state in the same column are factors like incumbency, party loyalty + party infrastructure.

I don't think any states are truly on "borrowed time", in this sense, but if I had to name two I'd say Arizona for the GOP and Rhode Island for the Dems.

Or by "borrowed time", a battleground state is or is about to be absorbed into one of the major national party machines.
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2020, 07:36:40 AM »

I can't help but giggle at all the claims for Minnesota. Minnesota hit its ceiling for a Republican with Trump. The rural areas are depopulating fast and the Twin Cities, Rochester, Mankato, and other urban areas are booming. While Republicans may not lose ground, they're certainly not going to gain any.

What's causing Minnesota to urbanize while people are abandoning cities in Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan?
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