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nclib
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« on: February 11, 2006, 07:13:51 AM »

I once saw a sign at a march that said, "if men could get pregnant, you could have an abortion at Wal-Mart."
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2006, 04:01:27 PM »

#1 Abortion is legal
#2 Actually, I think it would be more heavily restricted than it is today

Of course, abortion is legal (and would still be legal if men could get pregnant). In regards to your second point, men would certainly have easier access to abortion. Part (not all) of opposition to abortion is based on lack of respect for women's choices. Most pro-lifers do believe in traditional roles for women.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2006, 04:05:42 PM »

The ability to get pregnant, versus the inability to get pregnant, is the central difference among men and women.

The problem with this statement is that many women (in fact all women above a certain age) are unable to get pregnant and are still classified as women.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2006, 04:06:52 PM »

#1 Abortion is legal
#2 Actually, I think it would be more heavily restricted than it is today

Of course, abortion is legal (and would still be legal if men could get pregnant). In regards to your second point, men would certainly have easier access to abortion. Part (not all) of opposition to abortion is based on lack of respect for women's choices. Most pro-lifers do believe in traditional roles for women.

What choices, if any, do you think men should have?

In regards to abortion, or in general?
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2006, 08:36:08 PM »
« Edited: February 12, 2006, 08:38:41 PM by nclib »

Dazzleman,

I do believe in men's choices as well. I don't focus on it as much because I feel that it is not as threatened as women's choices are.

What were men's choices in the past, and what are they today?  Basically, they are the same -- get out and work.  Only now, men are expected to contribute more to the home, too.  In some ways, this too is good.  More father involvement is great, assuming there's one in the home, but we shouldn't expect fathers to be second mothers, another feminist mantra, or do half the housework if he's working more than half the combined hours, which is usually the case.

Men shouldn't be pressured to work outside the home anymore so than women should be. Obviously, between the couple, at least one of them has to work outside the home and at least one has to do the housework, but one should not be pressured to do more of either one simply because of their gender.

Men who choose to be homemakers are not as accepted as housewives are. But women who choose to work are not taken as seriously as men who choose to work. Both are wrong. However, fewer men want to be homemakers than women who want to work outside the home; therefore I am more concerned with increasing acceptance of women's choice to work outside the home.

And if a wife wants out of a marriage for whatever reasons today, men's choices and rights with respect to their children are severely circumscribed.  Wives often use their children as instruments of control against their estranged/former husband, denying him the right to visit his kids and be involved in their lives with little intervention from the judicial system.

I'm not denying that there are wives who abuse the system and that courts do tend to favor mothers in custody cases. Courts should try to put the child in the best situation possible, regardless of the gender of the parent.

And on abortion -- of course, the man has no say, but he must abide by the woman's decision regardless.  I have less sympathy for a man in this situation, since I think it is irresponsible to impregnate a woman outside a committed relationship.  Still, the legal inconsistency is glaring.  When it comes to paying for the baby, the man is considered an equal, if not dominant, parent.   But when it comes to determining the fate of his baby, he is nothing.  Even if he's willing to raise his baby himself, the baby's mother is allowed to abort it.  On the other hand, he must pay child support for 20 years is SHE decides to have the baby.

As for abortion, this is the one issue where I feel women's choices should take precedence over men's choices. But this is simply because of the biological reality that it's the woman's body. Having to give up one's body is more of an inconvenience than any financial burden.
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