NEA(largest teacher union) calls for nationwide teaching of CRT

[lfromnj]

https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-00a/

Stop gaslighting me and using your motte and Bailey tactics

Result in increasing the implementation of culturally responsive education, critical race theory, and ethnic (Native people, Asian, Black, Latin(o/a/x), Middle Eastern, North African, and Pacific Islander) Studies curriculum in pre- K-12 and higher education

Now that I established it exists or will exist in our schools without outside intervention let's discuss it. No more bs about how it doesn't exist.

[lfromnj]

Inb4 a red avatar calls you racist.

You can do it first

[lfromnj]

I've come to realize that most teachers unions are far left political machines which weaponize their members and the children they teach and use them as bargaining chips for political clout.  They don't actually care about teachers or quality of education.  Perfect example of why public labor unions are bad, and why states should be right-to-work.  

Is that why right-wingers running for school board seek their endorsements? They only turn on teacher's unions when they deny them the endorsements.

The same reason why until very recently left wingers still wanted cop endorsements .

[lfromnj]

Just keep pushing this crap. The farther out of the mainstream you get the greater the conservative backlash is going to be. Don’t you lefties see that you can never implement your economic policy goals as long as the public just views you as anti-white anti-American radicals? Nobody wants to racialize  everything like this. It’s disgusting.

 Why is teaching the truth "crap for lefties"? Why does acknowledging racial facts of American history so offensive to you? Are you a special snowflake?

See you have bough into the lie that critical race theory means teaching the bad sides of American history. Which has already been done for decades. Nobody is not taught about slavery and Indian removal. Critical race theory pushes the idea that everything even today is some kind of struggle for power among races with whites oppressing everyone else. It has nothing to do with “teaching the truth”. It’s straight up racist propaganda

Not everything is taught. My mother stated that she never was taught that George Washington owned slaves and there are countless people who didn't know about the Tulsa Massacre until this year. Much of this country's history involves racism. There was a time when white supremacy was an actual mainstream goal.

That’s a horrible argument. Not everything that happened that’s important can be taught. What the left seems to want is to focus solely on the bad racial things to the exclusion of nearly everything else. Students already learn much more about the daily lives of black people in the history of the south than they do about say, Midwestern farmers, despite the fact that Midwestern farmers were a much larger part of the American experience. It’s good that things like the Tulsa massacre are getting more attention but the attempt to view everything in history through the lens of race is the problem.

An extended period of terrorism should be taught about. It wasn't just Tulsa, but there were other cities where there similar massacres and there were also lynchings that were ignored by the federal government. The fact that the government either ignored or supported racist actions means that it should be taught about.

I have no problem with that. If we want to add the Tulsa massacre to the curriculum then fine. That’s not CRT.

It would still be banned by all currently proposed “anti-CRT” legislation.

Here's the issue and why it won't be banned.

A major component of anti CRT legislation is that one shouldn't teach students to feel guilty. If you taught about the Tulsa massacre then I could see students feeling guilty and everyone should be appalled of course but the purpose of teaching about the massacre should not be to make students feel guilty rather that would just be a side effect most likely but there shouldn't be bans due to side effects.

[lfromnj]

Is this about teaching it as one of many modes of literally/social/political analysis which have arisen in the past century (in which case, this is normal and should be contextualized in higher level English courses) or teaching as the one correct lens of interpreting all ideas? Because the implications of each are very different. It seems normal to me that high school so students should be exposed to everything from CRT to Marxism to Objectivism. Who benefits from teaching fewer perspectives?

Yes I don't really have too much issue with teaching this at a higher level English course although the way it can be taught will probably be poorly. The issue is that the goal here is to implement these ideas into curriculum including for elementary school kids and middle school kids to indoctrinate them. I learnt about Marxist/feminist analysis in English class and it was fine.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/black-lives-matter-curriculum-has-unintended-lesson/618501/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-agenda-be-taught-school/618277/
If you want an extreme idea in a very woke school read through these articles.

The book instructs a young white reader that she doesn’t need to “defend” racism, and it presents her with a stark decision. An illustration depicts a devil holding a “contract binding you to whiteness.” It reads:

You get:

✓stolen land

✓stolen riches

✓special favors†

WHITENESS gets:

✓to mess endlessly with the lives of your friends, neighbors, loved ones, and all fellow humans of COLOR

✓your soul

Sign below:

_____________

†Land, riches, and favors may be revoked at any time, for any reason.

Even in high school the idea won't be a week long focus on a type of critical analysis which is what our Marxist stuff was but rather something that gets pushed through all classes and school culture in order to fundamentally change the school.

[lfromnj]

https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/


To Blarite

B. Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project.

I think everyone here can agree White supremacy is bad, so the goal here would be to teach that. So why are they keeping capitalism in the same line?

[lfromnj]

Pls snip the meme, its way too big for something with not that much text and its being quoted too much.

[lfromnj]

https://www.thefire.org/13-important-points-in-the-campus-k-12-critical-race-theory-debate/

Here's a fairly decent article. Some states like Idaho are targetting college classes. FIRE opposes certain colleges having mandatory diversity trainings with the desire for certain outcomes but overly regulating elective class speech is going far.

This isn’t the only part likely to cause anxiety for well-intentioned teachers. Many of the bills prohibit “making part of any course” that “any individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race or sex.” It is not hard to imagine a student feeling uncomfortable by learning true facts about historical racism, presented reasonably, coming home distraught and telling their parents. Under these bills, parents may argue that the teacher has done something unlawful. This is always an issue when speech restrictions focus on concepts characterized by a subjective reaction like discomfort or guilt, without making absolutely clear that the regulation is targeting behavior intended to create that response in students. Indeed, my book with Jon Haidt, “The Coddling of the American Mind,” emphasized the dangers of focusing on impact over intent.

I think it should be made clearer with the word should. Teaching about certain events may always cause guilt but the goal shouldn't be to cause guilt even if that is a side effect and bills should target clarify this a bit further.

Overall this article is fairly well written with a lot of nuance on all sides with good sourcing. It should also be a warning for the right when their. Ills do go too far .

[lfromnj]

This whole CRT discussion, here, there and everywhere, has been an utter fail for me, because next to no one defines just what CRT is, and out of the CRT "tool box" just what should or should not be taught, and at what age level, and by what method, and how often.

What we have is just a hot button politically laden "trigger" term that people react to, and that is that.

One thing I do know, however, I think. I would time being spent on CRT that on "teaching" me that I am a homo cis male.

That is all.

In general it was an obscure racial theory a few decades ago  with some ideas based on principles about inequity in our society. After this some snippets and parts of it have been placed in DiAngelo/Kendi/similar books in a very weird way. Now these books are going through DEI sessions all across the nation especially after George Floyd, and it has some really creepy teachings such as the myth of Yakub from the nation of Islam. It can either be harmful towards white children by making them self hating or teach black children that all white people are out to get them and they can't succeed. Either way there may be a narrow argument to teach CRT as a small part of a high level English Class in 11th/12th grade  but to use CRT to develop curriculum and teaching strategies for young children will be incredibly harmful.  I don't even think its really necessary to teach it in 11th/12th but its just something that I am fine with including with discretion up to to the school/teacher.

In a summary the CRT being referred to recently is mostly the woke Diversity sessions being borne out of the Floyd protests that have taken over the liberal cultural elite who are now trying to apply it to the entire nation. Actual pure CRT from a few decades ago is actually a bit similar to Marxist critical analysis except replacing class with race. The right has been fighting against this although at times they have gone too far.

[lfromnj]

Yeah, it seems a stretch to call CRT academic at all considering it's based mostly around emotion driven arguments with little empirical backing.

I mean CRT is about as Academic as Marxist critical analysis. Take that as you will. The issue is that the teachings from these are being applied to student lessons around the nation and teaching how to think  including in very young children.

[lfromnj]

I have regularly noted that you bring one of the least educated perspectives to this site. Your characterization of this issue, which is similar to others in this thread, could not make it more obvious that you have never and will never actually make a good faith effort to understand what's in the material.

You, Bismarck, Rfayette, DTC. Your misguided o
pinion sounds a lot like the "death panels" argument or something like that. Just invented out of whole cloth and designed to inflame your deep insecurities about systemic failures in American society.

Why isn't my name in this list

[lfromnj]

This whole CRT discussion, here, there and everywhere, has been an utter fail for me, because next to no one defines just what CRT is, and out of the CRT "tool box" just what should or should not be taught, and at what age level, and by what method, and how often.

What we have is just a hot button politically laden "trigger" term that people react to, and that is that.

One thing I do know, however, I think. I would time being spent on CRT that on "teaching" me that I am a homo cis male.

That is all.

In general it was an obscure racial theory a few decades ago  with some ideas based on principles about inequity in our society. After this some snippets and parts of it have been placed in DiAngelo/Kendi/similar books in a very weird way. Now these books are going through DEI sessions all across the nation especially after George Floyd, and it has some really creepy teachings such as the myth of Yakub from the nation of Islam. It can either be harmful towards white children by making them self hating or teach black children that all white people are out to get them and they can't succeed. Either way there may be a narrow argument to teach CRT as a small part of a high level English Class in 11th/12th grade  but to use CRT to develop curriculum and teaching strategies for young children will be incredibly harmful.  I don't even think its really necessary to teach it in 11th/12th but its just something that I am fine with including with discretion up to to the school/teacher.

In a summary the CRT being referred to recently is mostly the woke Diversity sessions being borne out of the Floyd protests that have taken over the liberal cultural elite who are now trying to apply it to the entire nation. Actual pure CRT from a few decades ago is actually a bit similar to Marxist critical analysis except replacing class with race. The right has been fighting against this although at times they have gone too far.

Thank you. What specifically is in the drill for the kids at rather young ages that is designed to or results in both white kids and non white kids to hate whites?  Some examples would be great.

I recommend reading the fire article I linked earlier which is less biased than my own view I admit. I will even admit some of the reaction back to this wokeness has gone  too far which the fire article will point out.

Anyway the most extreme example at a public school is Evanston IL which is very woke but it still is an example and these ideas do seep through lesser degrees in other schools.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/black-lives-matter-curriculum-has-unintended-lesson/618501/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/should-black-lives-matter-agenda-be-taught-school/618277/
https://www.thefire.org/13-important-points-in-the-campus-k-12-critical-race-theory-debate/

The book instructs a young white reader that she doesn’t need to “defend” racism, and it presents her with a stark decision. An illustration depicts a devil holding a “contract binding you to whiteness.” It reads:

You get:

✓stolen land

✓stolen riches

✓special favors†

WHITENESS gets:

✓to mess endlessly with the lives of your friends, neighbors, loved ones, and all fellow humans of COLOR

✓your soul

Sign below:

_____________

†Land, riches, and favors may be revoked at any time, for any reason.

Mboyayi: My children have always been so proud of who they are. Then all of a sudden they started to question themselves because of what they were taught after arriving here. My son has wanted to be a lawyer since he was 11. Then one day he came home and told me, “But Mommy, there are these systems put in place that prevent Black people from accomplishing anything.” That’s what they’re teaching Black kids: that all of this time for the past 400 years, this is what [white people have] done to you and your people. The narrative is, “You can’t get ahead.”

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/AFTunion/status/1404453904738242560

https://twitter.com/rweingarten/status/1412537365529300992

This is gaslighting and nothing else.

[lfromnj]

You know, it's really weird how the American status quo, which is obviously unambiguously good, logically sound, morally impregnable, responsible for this being the greatest nation which ever has or will exist, and overall closer to perfect than anything else ever devised by mankind, has this one fairly basic critique which is so incredibly damaging that we must cut it away like a tumor, shielding the minds of the populace from its evils lest it spread like a plague and bring our civilization crashing down on our heads.

I mean, come on, you can't have it both ways. If the critique is wrong, it, like the countless critiques which have come before and the countless critiques yet to come, will be largely rejected and fade into obscurity. If it sticks around unless we censor it, well, perhaps it's getting at something and we ought not to censor it in the first place.

Where exactly do you debate this?

Does the 6 year old learning about whiteness debate the teacher?
Or do you debate at the school boards or at the state legislatures which is literally what is happening right now.
Teaching  has a time limited construct. Why is it so bad to restrict curriculum in K-12 education? Its always been done for many different subjects.