Columbus, OH police officer fatally shoots 15 year old Black girl

[lfromnj]

if the details are accurate in the OP (I am waiting for more established sources), then this is really bad and could cause some serious unrest.

Yeah if what happened in the OP is truth then it sounds really bad. However early reports are often lies, such as with the Jacob Blake story where they tried to say he was breaking up a fight when he was infact violating a restraining order. I will probably wait a little bit but it sounds very bad.

[lfromnj]

Yeah if what happened in the OP is truth then it sounds really bad. However early reports are often lies, such as with the Jacob Blake story where they tried to say he was breaking up a fight when he was infact violating a restraining order. I will probably wait a little bit but it sounds very bad.

Um, she was a 15 YEAR OLD GIRL.

Also, just a few days ago in Columbus, mostly white college students at Ohio State University during a "ChittFest" party flipped over cars and caused other damage but yet there were no arrests or killing of those students. Wonder why?

Well I don't fully know what happened in this scenario and I would encourage waiting till larger details come out, instead of early reports which are often lies. It does sound very bad though based on these initial reports.

[lfromnj]

Bodycam footage was just released

 she was running with the knife at the other girl, he shot her to stop her.

He prevented another girl from being stabbed with a deadly weapon.

Had the other girl trapped against a car and was trying to stab her.

link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpnibt9RQ2U&feature=emb_title

[lfromnj]

Wait initial witnesses often lie about what happned?

How could it be?

Anyway good for bodycams. Protect the people from sh**tty cops, while also protecting cops from liars.

[lfromnj]

Bodycam footage was just released

 she was running with the knife at the other girl, he shot her to stop her.

He prevented another girl from being stabbed with a deadly weapon.

Had the other girl trapped against a car and was trying to stab her.

Isn't there a stand your ground question here, legally? She was on her own property. Not sure how the law applies here though.

That being said in other circumstances there almost certainly would be people defending her as standing her ground/defending her property.

Is it certain she was on her own property? Or was it another lie told by initial witnesses? If this was actually a botched case of self defense this is tragic.

Either way she saw the cops arrive and they told her to stop and gave her some time to tell her to stop. Once the cops came she/her property, was reasonably safe from any danger.

If she was in the act of self defense I would like to see the pink girl charged for felony murder I guess.

[lfromnj]

Also, just a few days ago in Columbus, mostly white college students at Ohio State University during a "ChittFest" party flipped over cars and caused other damage but yet there were no arrests or killing of those students. Wonder why?

I know the answer is supposed to be "racism is the cause of everything in America", but do you really not see why police would be more averse to shooting college students (at the flagship university of the state and economic anchor of the state's fastest growing metro area, no less) than they would random townies? Opening fire on college students involves a massive added layer of legal complexity considering the university is likely to be involved in any criminal proceedings, not to mention the fact these students are likely to be from wealthy families more likely to gain institutional clout and high caliber legal defense. It's no surprise that police are more likely to not shoot the sons of privilege and instead violently target the town's dispossessed.

This isn't a defense - it's instead pointing out that American liberals (who revere higher education and the safety and social prestige it confers) are going to be much more eager to reach for a racial explanation when a class-based explanation is right beneath their noses.

Debating about how much of this double standard is due to race and how much is due to class misses two crucial points. First, it's a double standard regardless of cause which has a decidedly non race-neutral impact.

I didn't say it's not a double standard. Race and class are very obviously related to each other, especially in a major college town (I lived in a mostly black working class neighborhood my last year of college). My point was that targeting townies and not targeting college students was being framed as a race issue when other plausible explanations are quite evident.

And secondly, it's indefensible.

I quite literally said my argument was not a defense.

Right, I saw that, and agree. I'm just pointing out that the issue over whether it's race or class is secondary as to the fact it is, as we agree, indefensible.

And honestly, the class versus race question has going on for over a century. Double standards like this have their roots in both.

However, at the end of the day, if this occurred at HBUC with largely middle-class African American kids involved, you can bet your bottom dollar that white cops would have been out in full force.

This is actually a fairly middle class neighborhood judging by the housing density/lawn, and I checked the census tract too and MHI  is around 60k.

[lfromnj]

Can you provide a link? I tried looking but wasn't able to find this.

It says the shooting was in Legion Lane, which is just SE of I270 which is the Beltway loop around Columbus. As far as I can tell by looking at the metro income maps it seems like a slightly lower to regular middle class neighborhood.

The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation was on the scene Tuesday night on the 3100 block of Legion Lane, between Chatterton and Refugee roads to investigate a fatal shooting by a Columbus police officer.

Overall unlike an area like Cleveland , Columbus is a growing metro and it makes sense that it would attract a middle class black population.

[lfromnj]

I really can't see an argument for self defense once the cops arrived. Right before she was about to stab the pink girl, the pink girl was literally walking away from the situation and towards the cops. Everyone was reasonably safe once the cops arrived.

Respect to the cop for the accuracy in shooting only at the stabber and not the girl in pink. Even at close range that seems like a relatively tough shot.

[lfromnj]

if the details are accurate in the OP (I am waiting for more established sources), then this is really bad and could cause some serious unrest.

Yeah if what happened in the OP is truth then it sounds really bad. However early reports are often lies, such as with the Jacob Blake story where they tried to say he was breaking up a fight when he was infact violating a restraining order. I will probably wait a little bit but it sounds very bad.

Easily the most egregious example of this in my memory was the incident in Philadelphia not long after Jacob Blake where a deranged man with a knife was shot once (and unfortunately killed) as he charged a police officer. A local activist journalist tweeted out something along the lines of "Police in Philadelphia have shot an autistic boy" to fuel the already tense protests that were happening at the time. I don't remember the names or specifics unfortunately.

That was Lancaster IIRC?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/14/lancaster-shooting-ricardo-munoz/

Either way its incredible how the media just ran with these idiotic witness statements without taking the time to ask around for further confirmation. They nearly caused a riot if it wasn't for the quick reaction of the police department in providing us the proper info.

[lfromnj]

Well, I have seen the body cam footage and so my judgement was premature. Still a very sad situation all around.

I hope this is a valuable lesson in that one shouldn't jump into a single story when it comes to incidents like this and rather wait for some further information like I did. Good on you for changing your view though rather than digging deeper into a hole.

I do agree it is unfortunate circumstances had to lead to someone being shot although it may have been the least of all evils.

[lfromnj]

Did the other two girls (the ones the girl with the knife was swinging at) have weapons of any kind?
I didn't see any in the confrontation.
I'm trying to understand the "self-defense" concept that some are eluding to.

One of the other girls was literally walking slowly in the direction of the cops before getting tacked and about to be stabbed.  

The self defense claim just came from the same person who said she dropped the knife before she got shot(she did not). Its clear there is a bunch of lies/misinformation that came from activists and people looking to make money.

Its maaybe possible the initial stuff was self defense but once the cops arrived the situation should have cooled down.

[lfromnj]

It's tough to criticize a split-second decision, but it would have been better for the officer to follow President Biden's suggestion to shoot in the leg.

That was an ignorant comment from Biden and wouldn't be applicable in this case. Even an Olympic sharpshooter would have difficulty hitting a leg on a moving person in the split second time available like in that video. That's a movie trope, not a realistic thing.

Not just moving,but moving with the other person very nearby. I'm  honestly surprised the officer took the shots in the first place although I assume he has more training to make that call and he may have saw a proper angle considering he didn't actually hit anyone else.

[lfromnj]

The officer is not a telepath. He came and in literally 5 seconds saw a girl trying to stab another girl with a god damn knife. De-escalate?

Could he use other means? May be, he could, but the trade-off would be a higher chance of the girl in pink to being stabbed.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/729922975/despite-widespread-use-police-rate-tasers-as-less-effective-than-believed

The officer also knew why he was there though, which we don't know all the details. It's quite possibly that he was responding to an abusive situation (which is why the girl called the police in the first place) and that would make sense why there was so much activity as soon as he got there. So his response to this situation is to just shoot her 4 times? *FOUR* times? When she was the one being abused, allegedly, before he got there, and she was the one who called in the first place?

For all we know the girl in the pink was abusing her and she fought back.

The girl in the pink appears at the start of the video before the girl with the knife rushes into the scene. We then see her chase another girl who that guy kicks in the head when she's on the ground and then lunges with the knife toward the girl in the pink. Hard to claim self defense when the girl in the pink was already quite a distance from her before she chased in and lunged at her. Even if she was abused by the girl in the pink earlier that doesn't give her the right to chase her down and stab her once she's no longer a threat. Indo.t know the exact details of Ohio law on this but even a "stand your ground" law doesn't allow that, that merely eliminates the "duty to retreat" instead of creating a right to chase.

Still a very sad and unfortunate situation all around.

One does have a reasonable right to chase to perform a citizen's arrest if need be. However there is 0 need for a citizen's arrest when the cops are literally right there unless the cops themselves run into some trouble.

[lfromnj]

By the way I said early on, Wait for the Bodycam as early stories are often lies. This also can apply to the police as most infamously happened during the Walter Scott shooting.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1384882052085002240



https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2021/04/21/makhia-bryant-columbus-police-discuss-shooting-body-camera-video/7318569002/

Also the 911 calls were released with a bit more bodycam footage.

Woods said Wednesday that police had received a 911 call about the attempted stabbing that brought officer to the scene. Police had not established as of Wednesday who placed that call.

In that call at 4:32 p.m. Tuesday, screaming can be heard as the caller asks police to come and says someone is trying to stab them. The police dispatcher tries to get more information and there is screaming before the call is disconnected

[lfromnj]

Reading police related shooting threads over the years, it seems to me libertarians care more about loosening poison control regulations than anything related to the militarized police, voter suppression or systematic racism. Always defending the cop. No wonder 99% are white Christians or atheists who think being atheists makes them persecuted.

Police accountability/reform usually should take place at more lower/mid levels. The fact is most police shootings we see on bodycameras are justified(However a lot of killings could theoretically be corrupted by police planting fake evidence etc such as what happened in Baltimore)

 Most people and that includes cops don't want to go around killing people for fun or the jollies. However plenty of people including cops are bullies. Cops can often abuse people at lower level events because that is fun for them. They can also steal people's assets through civil asset forfeiture because that gains them material assets. However all shooting a person usually does is bring attention.  It is easier to focus on events where someone died because that obviously is the gravest consequence the state can dole out . I have legitimately complained about shady/bad cop killings based on facts such as no-knock warrants. I am pretty sure I even made the thread about Breonna Taylor originally.  But I also will call out the media rampage/lies against what I currently believe with at least current evidence an innocent cop. It is obvious what the media is trying to do here and they should be called out.

[lfromnj]

I find it funny how some people expect police officers to be some ninja who can safely disarm someone with a knife with their bear hands.

I've never seen any of the people criticizing this explain how this was supposed to be resolved non-violently. "Hey can you please not stab that person?" Don't think that was going to work.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1385013333007343619

LeBron is apparently not tired of seeing black people killed by other black people which happens far more often than their getting killed by police and might have happened here had the cop not intervened.

If "activists" cared even half as much when a black person gets killed by a black as they do when its by a white I might take them a bit more seriously but as it stands these things are just excuses to bash whitey. Even if in some instances it is justified like with Chauvin.

In defense of the activists the issue when it comes to police murder is that they believe justice isn't doled out fairly . Usually if a murderer is found(which is uncommon) they are thereby prosecuted and jailed. You and I both know that actual miscarriage of justice done by the state is incredibly dangerous. Obviously the problem here is that these activists are braindead and think anyone killed by the state is injustice. It is valid to focus on unjust police killings due to the mentioned circumstances but they should have actual evidence behind them or at least a reasonable suspicion such as police refusing to release body camera footage within a space of time.

[lfromnj]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9500075/MaKhia-Bryants-neighbor-says-security-camera-footage-shows-cop-no-choice-shoot-her.html

Dailymail coz the regular media won't report this for a few days.

Anyway a minority neighbor had surveillance, viewed it himself and saw the shooting as justified even if what happened was still sad.

'He could have either not fired and the young lady in pink could have been stabbed in the neck and brutally or fatally injured and then he could shot [Bryant] and we could have had two [young women] dead - or he could have responded in the way that he did and one young lady lost her life,' he said.

The majority of people including minorities like and want the police at least with some watch over their neighborhood. Sadly this is ignored largely by the media and the liars get so much more attention.
Also the video has audio where the girl says "I am gonna stab the Fnk out of you bitch"