Columbus, OH police officer fatally shoots 15 year old Black girl

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https://twitter.com/LaceyCrisp/status/1384655872522178560
https://twitter.com/LaceyCrisp/status/1384665355046592519


Mayor of Columbus, Ohio:
https://twitter.com/MayorGinther/status/1384650492303732740
https://twitter.com/MayorGinther/status/1384650659597750272

[Matty]

if the details are accurate in the OP (I am waiting for more established sources), then this is really bad and could cause some serious unrest.

[lfromnj]

if the details are accurate in the OP (I am waiting for more established sources), then this is really bad and could cause some serious unrest.

Yeah if what happened in the OP is truth then it sounds really bad. However early reports are often lies, such as with the Jacob Blake story where they tried to say he was breaking up a fight when he was infact violating a restraining order. I will probably wait a little bit but it sounds very bad.

[ProudModerate2]

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Yeah if what happened in the OP is truth then it sounds really bad. However early reports are often lies, such as with the Jacob Blake story where they tried to say he was breaking up a fight when he was infact violating a restraining order. I will probably wait a little bit but it sounds very bad.

Um, she was a 15 YEAR OLD GIRL.

Also, just a few days ago in Columbus, mostly white college students at Ohio State University during a "ChittFest" party flipped over cars and caused other damage but yet there were no arrests or killing of those students. Wonder why?

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Why do these always happen in the midwest?

[lfromnj]

Yeah if what happened in the OP is truth then it sounds really bad. However early reports are often lies, such as with the Jacob Blake story where they tried to say he was breaking up a fight when he was infact violating a restraining order. I will probably wait a little bit but it sounds very bad.

Um, she was a 15 YEAR OLD GIRL.

Also, just a few days ago in Columbus, mostly white college students at Ohio State University during a "ChittFest" party flipped over cars and caused other damage but yet there were no arrests or killing of those students. Wonder why?

Well I don't fully know what happened in this scenario and I would encourage waiting till larger details come out, instead of early reports which are often lies. It does sound very bad though based on these initial reports.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

It so tragic that this happened literally as the Floyd trial was ending. A never ending cycle

[GP270watch]

 How does a grown man police officer shoot a 15 year old girl. I hope this is not what it looks like.

[sting in the rafters]

What could possibly justify shooting immediately upon arriving at the crime scene? Another example of how we need to demilitarize our law enforcement.

[H. Ross Peron]

Obviously we don't have much info but a 15 year old girl who called the cops herself getting shot dead in the immediate aftermath of Derek Chauvin's conviction is basically the worst optics imaginable.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

What could possibly justify shooting immediately upon arriving at the crime scene? Another example of how we need to demilitarize our law enforcement.

Beat Cops/Patrol Cops shouldn't have guns. Fine give them nightsticks, tasers, or mace, it's a lot harder to kill a person with those

[OneJ]

Horrific. My thoughts and prayers go out to her family and friends.

[Matty]

Bodycam footage was just released

 she was running with the knife at the other girl, he shot her to stop her.

He prevented another girl from being stabbed with a deadly weapon.

Had the other girl trapped against a car and was trying to stab her.

[BigSerg]

Looks like she was in a stabbing motion (with the knife) towards the girl in pink. If so, 100% justified. End of story.

[Oregon Eagle Politics]

Bodycam footage was just released

 she was running with the knife at the other girl, he shot her to stop her.

He prevented another girl from being stabbed with a deadly weapon.

Had the other girl trapped against a car and was trying to stab her.

OK, it's justified.

[Badger]

Bodycam footage was just released

 she was running with the knife at the other girl, he shot her to stop her.

He prevented another girl from being stabbed with a deadly weapon.

Had the other girl trapped against a car and was trying to stab her.

link?

[Matty]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1384704335309807619

[lfromnj]

Bodycam footage was just released

 she was running with the knife at the other girl, he shot her to stop her.

He prevented another girl from being stabbed with a deadly weapon.

Had the other girl trapped against a car and was trying to stab her.

link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpnibt9RQ2U&feature=emb_title

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Highly unfortunate it had to end this way, but one cannot pin blame on the police for this outcome at least.

[lfromnj]

Wait initial witnesses often lie about what happned?

How could it be?

Anyway good for bodycams. Protect the people from sh**tty cops, while also protecting cops from liars.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Also, just a few days ago in Columbus, mostly white college students at Ohio State University during a "ChittFest" party flipped over cars and caused other damage but yet there were no arrests or killing of those students. Wonder why?

I know the answer is supposed to be "racism is the cause of everything in America", but do you really not see why police would be more averse to shooting college students (at the flagship university of the state and economic anchor of the state's fastest growing metro area, no less) than they would random townies? Opening fire on college students involves a massive added layer of legal complexity considering the university is likely to be involved in any criminal proceedings, not to mention the fact these students are likely to be from wealthy families more likely to gain institutional clout and high caliber legal defense. It's no surprise that police are more likely to not shoot the sons of privilege and instead violently target the town's dispossessed.

This isn't a defense - it's instead pointing out that American liberals (who revere higher education and the safety and social prestige it confers) are going to be much more eager to reach for a racial explanation when a class-based explanation is right beneath their noses.

[Badger]

Also, just a few days ago in Columbus, mostly white college students at Ohio State University during a "ChittFest" party flipped over cars and caused other damage but yet there were no arrests or killing of those students. Wonder why?

I know the answer is supposed to be "racism is the cause of everything in America", but do you really not see why police would be more averse to shooting college students (at the flagship university of the state and economic anchor of the state's fastest growing metro area, no less) than they would random townies? Opening fire on college students involves a massive added layer of legal complexity considering the university is likely to be involved in any criminal proceedings, not to mention the fact these students are likely to be from wealthy families more likely to gain institutional clout and high caliber legal defense. It's no surprise that police are more likely to not shoot the sons of privilege and instead violently target the town's dispossessed.

This isn't a defense - it's instead pointing out that American liberals (who revere higher education and the safety and social prestige it confers) are going to be much more eager to reach for a racial explanation when a class-based explanation is right beneath their noses.

Debating about how much of this double standard is due to race and how much is due to class misses two crucial points. First, it's a double standard regardless of cause which has a decidedly non race-neutral impact. And secondly, it's indefensible.

[Sestak]

Bodycam footage was just released

 she was running with the knife at the other girl, he shot her to stop her.

He prevented another girl from being stabbed with a deadly weapon.

Had the other girl trapped against a car and was trying to stab her.

Isn't there a stand your ground question here, legally? She was on her own property. Not sure how the law applies here though.

That being said in other circumstances there almost certainly would be people defending her as standing her ground/defending her property.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Also, just a few days ago in Columbus, mostly white college students at Ohio State University during a "ChittFest" party flipped over cars and caused other damage but yet there were no arrests or killing of those students. Wonder why?

I know the answer is supposed to be "racism is the cause of everything in America", but do you really not see why police would be more averse to shooting college students (at the flagship university of the state and economic anchor of the state's fastest growing metro area, no less) than they would random townies? Opening fire on college students involves a massive added layer of legal complexity considering the university is likely to be involved in any criminal proceedings, not to mention the fact these students are likely to be from wealthy families more likely to gain institutional clout and high caliber legal defense. It's no surprise that police are more likely to not shoot the sons of privilege and instead violently target the town's dispossessed.

This isn't a defense - it's instead pointing out that American liberals (who revere higher education and the safety and social prestige it confers) are going to be much more eager to reach for a racial explanation when a class-based explanation is right beneath their noses.

Debating about how much of this double standard is due to race and how much is due to class misses two crucial points. First, it's a double standard regardless of cause which has a decidedly non race-neutral impact.

I didn't say it's not a double standard. Race and class are very obviously related to each other, especially in a major college town (I lived in a mostly black working class neighborhood my last year of college). My point was that targeting townies and not targeting college students was being framed as a race issue when other plausible explanations are quite evident.

And secondly, it's indefensible.

I quite literally said my argument was not a defense.