Person shot and killed at pro-Trump caravan protests in Portland

[lfromnj]

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/08/1-person-shot-killed-near-downtown-portland-protests-saturday.html

The person lay in the street as police medics tended to their wounds. Next to the body was camouflage gear with infidel and thin blue line patches, which commonly indicate support for law enforcement. Police taped off the area.

[lfromnj]

This is a perfect example of why re-electing Trump will only make things worth. These freaks were spoiling for a fight and the antifa bastards are more than happy to give it to them. If you vote for trump, you support this behavior (yes, including antifa’s antics).

your living in fairy land.  Portland’s Mayor has allowed Antifa to take over their streets for the last 80 days.  Competent leadership would have had them removed by now.  Also it appears the shooting had nothing to do with the caravan.   33 Americans now dead in the “summer of love” according to the Seattle mayor.

Although I think a 2nd civil war is absurd or extreme I think we are entering a sort of "years of lead" or similar.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1299938822915006464

Here is the so far, the only video. Right before the gunshots there was what I assume to be pepper spray fired as far as I can tell. If I had a gun and someone came to me and pepper sprayed me I might be in fear they would be taking the gun.   Whoever started this specific confrontation is to blame. Hopefully the shooter is caught and we can find out but even here there's a slight case for defense. If the shooting victim went around macing people randomly then someone would fight back. However if the shooter went upto the victim who tried to fire mace to avoid the fight and the shooter fired then I say charge with the book and all.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1300024630930010112?s=20

Now that its confirmed to be a Trump supporter dead even if the shooting was justified I expect Trump to send some federal response and he probably will have like 50% public support on this action as the argument is literally Antifa(which does exist in Portland) is killing Trump supporters.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/AdamWeinstein/status/1299944392996933635

And there's also something thrown at the car? Also something which could have been piss sprayed at another person. Its a paintball gun being fired back. I'd say the blame is on both sides in that video as a paintball gun is probably a bit more dangerous without proper equipment for the victim.

[lfromnj]

I predicted last night that GOR would call the Portland shooting Trump's Reichstag fire .

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1299909726231171072

TIL defending yourself from sh**t being thrown at you with a paintball gun makes you the modern day Reichstag fire dude. 

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/AdamWeinstein/status/1299944392996933635

I think eventually you are going to hurt somebody.

Imagine watching this video and thinking the people in the trucks started the violence.

This is a poster who resorted to whataboutism and justified/mocked the incident in which a mentally disabled (presumed) Trump supporter was tied up and tortured two months after Trump's election (I posted a "compilation" of his best "hits" in the thread asking for his ban in February 2017 or so, but of course he was allowed to stay). There’s nothing surprising about this sociopath's posts, he’s one of the very, very few genuinely dangerous individuals on this forum.

IIRC that poor kid didn't have any political beliefs although the torturers were anti Trump.


https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=255864.25

The thread is still up.

[lfromnj]

If the exact same thing happened with the political sides switched, right-wing Twitter would have contrived a way for this shooting to have been self-defense by now. Are there any such theories coming out of left-wing Twitter?

I mean I literally said it could be self defense when judging by the mace last night. However the shooting happened really quick I think the guy already was brandishing his gun.

[lfromnj]

Andy Ngo is a liar and even posted that it was a black man that shot and killed the Trump supporter, the shooter was confirmed as a white male.

Some witnesses are saying the suspect shooter is a black male.

Ngo's statement was accurate, some witnesses were saying that. They may have mistook somebody who was driving nearby as being the shooter.

I would delete the 2nd portion there is no reason to go reddit Boston Bomber on this forum

edit: just removed out the 2nd part which claimed the identity of the shooter in a link.

[lfromnj]

Andy Ngo is a liar and even posted that it was a black man that shot and killed the Trump supporter, the shooter was confirmed as a white male.

Some witnesses are saying the suspect shooter is a black male.

Ngo's statement was accurate, some witnesses were saying that. They may have mistook somebody who was driving nearby as being the shooter.

Some witnesses may have been saying that, but Andy Ngo is a known fascist sympathizer and has been exposed as a fraud. He's not an objective journalist or a journalist of any kind, he's a propagandist, so it's best not to rely on anything that he says.

I'd like to see you cite proof that Andy Ngo is a Fascist.

Merely reporting the actual events of the Portland Riots doesn't make you a Fascist.  Cite a source.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=323357.msg6942655#msg6942655

He's an instigator, liar, and collaborates with the alt-right hate mobs. He is not an objective journalist.

Andy Ngo seen laughing as Patriot Prayer members plan an attack in newly emerged video

Fake news. Takedown courtesy of Robby Soave, who was also key to the takedown of the Covington Kids narrative.

But even if it was true, how would it be relevant to Ngo getting attacked like he was? I wouldn't wish that on even the most biased writer I disagreed with the most.

NGO is still biased of course and I won't deny it.

[lfromnj]

Can you prove kyle rittenhouse was acting in a terroristic capacity? Are you saying there is a 0% chance it was self ddfense ?

[lfromnj]

Can you prove kyle rittenhouse was acting in a terroristic capacity? Are you saying there is a 0% chance it was self ddfense ?

I don't know if that was directed at me, but no, obviously I can't say 0% chance on any news story. There's always the possibility of a misunderstanding.

But no, I don't see any evidence on killing #1 for self-defense, which would invalidate a self-defense argument on the second one, since they would have been chasing him to detain the person who had already committed a murder.

It's fair to say that a guy who comes across state lines with a gun he's not legally allowed to own to intimidate protesters, and then uses that gun to kill some of them, was acting in a terrorist manner. I will of course change my position on this issue if against all odds an investigation suggests otherwise.

I am in agreement with you the 1st shooting is the most key aspect as most should agree as long as he was just there his next 2 shootings were 100% justified
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

Anyway this is the begining of the first shooting

He eventually leaves the dealership and is barred by the police from returning. Six minutes later footage shows Mr. Rittenhouse being chased by an unknown group of people into the parking lot of another dealership several blocks away.

First shooting
While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.

Mr. Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction. Mr. Rittenhouse then fires four times, and appears to shoot the man in the head.

Its not 100% clear why he was being chased although Rosenbaum was acting aggressive earlier in the night If Rosenbaum started the chase then he was justified in the shooting 100% especially after the other shooting. If Kyle specifically aggravated Rosenbaum with an illegal action or perhaps taunting him he was the aggressor he did not commit self defense.

Arguing the crossing state line charges as an intent for terrorism is absurd. Most people came out of town. Only the first victim was from Kenosha. One of the dudes shot lived 10 minutes north of him and the last dude who lived an hour north of Kenosha in a suburb of Milwaukee. Infact Kyle Rittenhouse's court record actually includes a speeding ticket in Kenosha county Wisconsin which gives a decent chance he was well tied to Kenosha as the other near large town near him was Waukegan which is about equidistant to Kenosha for Kyle.

  I am not denying even if Kyle is innocent he wasn't a massive idiot who should have not have been there especially at that age and he almost certainly gets nailed for the misdemeanor of the firearms charge but he still has a solid chance for a self defense case.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1300193398477946883?s=19

Here is you go Fuzzy.
How is trump doing so far, to be the great "unifier" you seek for our nation?

Are you saying that we should just ignore and forget this man who was murdered by terrorists in our own country?

No. Tell that to President Trump "liked" a Tweet glorifying the terrorist who murdered two Americans in Kenosha this weekend. Remember that while Biden and his supporters condemn all violence, regardless of which side does it, Trump and his supporters think it's OK if it's their side beating up or murdering liberals.

What Rittenhouse did was utterly reprehensible and he deserves to suffer the full extent of the law for it, but the men that he murdered certainly weren't upright individuals with a deep and abiding love for this country. As I recall, one of them was a convicted sex offender. Again, these people did not deserve to die, but I don't think we should be glorifying them either.

Didn't the "sex offender" thing turn out to be yet another Ngo fake story? Not 100% sure on that. Either way, I'm not glorifying victims but joining my candidate (Biden) in condemning ALL violence while Trump and his supporters here (other than Sanchez) only condemn the violence from the Left while explicitly supporting the violence from the Right.

No the sex offender thing was only "fake" because the Wisconsin offender list took it down because he was dead. Ngo exaggerates a lot but he would have been called out sooner for that blatant of a lie. He was only called out later. Not that the sex offender is extremely relevant and I don't really want to point it out. It perhaps shows a criminal record which increases the chances of Rosenbaum being the aggressor but being a sex offender doesn't mean one should die. Chasing after a dude with a gun if he didn't attack you means you might die even if the penalty there wouldn't be death either.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299391382683963392

[lfromnj]

FWIW: To Fuzzy, I can't say too much about the Portland shooter. the video evidence there is even worse than Kenosha. Its hard to see but there was mace sprayed right before the shooting.

[lfromnj]

Can you prove kyle rittenhouse was acting in a terroristic capacity? Are you saying there is a 0% chance it was self ddfense ?

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It's fair to say that a guy who comes across state lines with a gun he's not legally allowed to own to intimidate protesters, and then uses that gun to kill some of them, was acting in a terrorist manner. I will of course change my position on this issue if against all odds an investigation suggests otherwise.

International border: imaginary line on a map, lol
Interstate border: OMG bringing a weapon across makes you a terrorist ahhhh

He also didn't "cross state lines with a gun". The gun belonged to a friend in the state where he works. This is by far the dumbest talking point. Metro areas and sub-regions clearly cross state lines on many occasions.

I don't think it shows more bad intent if someone drove 90 miles across state lines than 90 miles in the same state. I think the main reason the crossing of state lines has been mentioned is to emphasize how the (alleged) shooter came from a totally different area and decided to involve himself in a very tense situation that didn't involve him.

So you admit this is a lie/propaganda to turn people against him? Because this 100% was his community that he was involved in and the city he worked in.

It's two sets of gun laws he broke, not just 1.

Not if it was only in WI as I said in my original post in receiving it from a WI friend. Underage possession is a misdemeanor that can usually go unenforced and has no serious related legal issues. And thank God he did or he would have been dead or at least disabled today.

Entirely speculation on your part. He would have behaved completely differently had he not had the gun. And there's no evidence that the first person he killed was making any threat on his life, and without him killing the first person the second person would never chased him down.

https://archive.is/R2JYm

Here's an archive I found for Rosenbaum. I think its reasonable it could be scrubbed in 2 days especially after it makes the media.
Again don't really care as that is not relavent.

This is from the old locked thread, its an archive

https://www.bailbondshq.com/arizona/azdoc-inmate-JOSEPH/172556

Also he was arrested and convicted in Arizona which still has it up. Its absolutely possible the DA wanted this fact removed so they could portray an easier case or perhaps the family requested it be done quickly to avoid the right wing frenzy. Again this matters very little of course Im just pointing out Andy Ngo didn't lie here and had little reason to lie on such an easily contradict able claim.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/EmilyValdezKNX/status/1300184268312686592

[lfromnj]

I was going to comment on that video too, the opposite happened in Kenosha. The first dude to respond was Richie Mcginnis from the daily caller which is a right website. So his original intentions were obviously to go there and record the mayhem to show the riots in a bad light to make the left look bad. However he still went to a scene without all the info and tried to save Rosenbaum. He did claim for some reason that some thugs attacked him while he was carrying Rosenbaum to the car.

[lfromnj]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v7g8vb/man-linked-to-killing-at-a-portland-protest-says-he-acted-in-self-defense

So anyway man who killed the other dude basically confirmed,

[lfromnj]

Once there, some Trump supporters shot paintballs into the crowd, while people on the streets threw objects back at them. Some fistfights broke out.

From the nyt article above.
What a lie, within the most famous videos, the people on the streets threw objects first. FAKE NEWS ! Shooting a paintball gun back to protect your property(truck) is perfectly legal

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1304953304619810816?r