NJ-Sen: Kean up by 7%.

[minionofmidas]

It's the American state to be most like Germany in a sense - both places poll far to the right of their nature outside election season. All the Dems need to do is work some up.
Oh, and in that it's got some sh!tty pollsters who're unable to model that.

[minionofmidas]

I don't think so. I think New Jersey is the state of the Democratic leaning independent who tells pollsters he probably won't vote.

[minionofmidas]

Menendez is pure slime.  What was Corzine thinking?  Why didn't he appoint Andrews?  If we lose this race, we deserve it.

Andrews would have lost.

[minionofmidas]

Just more proof that when people from Virginia or Maryland talk about New Jersey, you know the opposite is true.
Honestly. Those percentages Goldie gives for Menendez and Andrews probably belong round about reversed.

[minionofmidas]

Just more proof that when people from Virginia or Maryland talk about New Jersey, you know the opposite is true.
Honestly. Those percentages Goldie gives for Menendez and Andrews probably belong round about reversed.

That's not what Democrats in DC think. I asked several of them (people that work in the House).

And where is DC located?
Whatever you may think of Menendez' chances, Andrews would have been quite a bad candidate in North Jersey - and that's where a majority of Jerseyans live. He wasn't doing well in these comparative polls (you know, how would x, y, and z do against Kean), by the way, despite okay name recognition. He's just run as South Jersey's favorite son a couple times too often is my guess.

[minionofmidas]

Yeah, but people LIKE Andrews. No one likes Menendez. In elections, that matters.

No... I haven't got a clue where that opinion comes from. Most people in New Jersey DON'T LIKE Andrews, apparently.

[minionofmidas]

That's not what I've heard from NJ Democrats, maybe you know more of them than me. I doubt it though. Polls also indicated that Andrews was a stronger candidate.

I recall that they didn't...

Andrews is popular in the South of Jersey.

[minionofmidas]

You want an example of why the Republicans *probably* won't win?


Here.

The rest of us don't "deserve" to pay for Jon Corzine's mistake, if it indeed turns out to be a mistake. Should we also "pay" for the fact he's a slimeball that he ditched his wife and only used his big fat checkbook to steamroller his Senate job?

He was married to his wife for something like 30 years. You really have no idea what happened to his marriage. And I wish you could tell how Corzine is a "slimeball". No one can ever give specifics about how either Corzine or Menendez are "slimeballs". It's basically just another right-wing talking point with no substance.

And my god, talk about overreacting to one poll! This is New Jersey and Menendez still has a pretty good shot of winning. The Democrats are much more organized and will probably have more money in this race.

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.  You want examples of Corzine being slime?  He embraced, funded, and was clearly and was ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WORDS "loyal" and connected to such disgustingly corrupt characters as McGreevey, Kushner, Toricelli, and Norcross.  He also voted for bills to obviously benefit himself and hurt the country, supposedly payed off news stations so they wouldn't air his scandals, and pays off union leaders for support.  Possibly one of the best ever is when his political puppeteers put him up on stage right before McGreevey resigned and had him say what a great Governor he was.

Independently of the truth content, that kind of rhetoric is extremely polarizing and is the best campaign strategy to ensure high turnout among North Jersey Dems and Dem-leaners. (It also reminds me a lot of how the Italian left attacks Berlusconi, and why Berlusconi is a lot more popular than he has any right to be. Mind you, North Jersey machine dems may be slimebags, but they're models of sainthood compared to Berlusconi. Still, the mechanism is the same: ) "Don't tell me I'm stupid!" for voting for these people. Ah bah, it's all lies! Or whatever! Anyways I won't vote for you!
Bush, to a lesser degree, profited from the same phenomenon in his elections.

I'm not saying that Menendez is a particulary good candidate, by the way. Codey would have been far better, no debate about that.

[minionofmidas]

I'm not saying that Menendez is a particulary good candidate, by the way. Codey would have been far better, no debate about that.

Ugh, why does everyone keep bringing Codey up.  He would be a terrible candidate considering that he has stated numerous times that he hates politics and will NEVER run for office!  I don't think someone who wouldn't be running for re-election would be a good candidate.

Well, yes. He has by now declined a run a little too often and too loudly to be able to change his mind gracefully, at least for 2006. That chance is over.