Minneapolis cops slowly murder handcuffed man in front of crowd

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

The US police system attracts a lot of guys who just want to exert power on others, and there’s a lot of racists too.

The officer ought to be charged with murder and sent to prison for a long long time. This is a horrifying incident of modern lynching.

But as for looting, not good whatsoever and is a travesty.

One thing the looters won't burn down is the local KKK headquarters.  That is the ONE building that will remain intact.  

The immigrant-owned bidnesses, however, will be burned to the goddamn ground.

LMAO. No wonder the blue avatars on this thread support the rioters.

Human behavior is fascinating.  

Oy, Vito -- stay in one lane.  You're all over the place. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

The such-and-such-title of the department just gave a presser at CNN.  

In response to a question about whether charges will be filed against the offending officer(s), he began by giving the cookie-cutter "I can't make a judgment here on the spot" answer.  Fine.  

But he followed it up with something to the effect of "what happened in the video is horrendous, but there also may be evidence that renders it unnecessary for to charges to be filed."  

Even if that is the case, it was the wrong thing to say.  People are pretty universally angry right now.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

The such-and-such-title of the department just gave a presser at CNN.  

In response to a question about whether charges will be filed against the offending officer(s), he began by giving the cookie-cutter "I can't make a judgment here on the spot" answer.  Fine.  

But he followed it up with something to the effect of "what happened in the video is horrendous, but there also may be evidence that renders it unnecessary for to charges to be filed."  

Even if that is the case, it was the wrong thing to say.  People are pretty universally angry right now.  

Trumpian levels of stubborn denial here.

Let it be known to all business owners and innocent civilians that cops would rather watch burning and looting than admit to any wrongdoing.

Like, seriously? What **evidence** could possibly justify the officer's actions (or his fellow officers' inaction)?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

He's claiming now that he misspoke.

https://twitter.com/TedHallerLegal/status/1266142315128786945?s=19

And that what he meant was look at all evidence before filing charges including evidence that wouldn't support a charge. Not to imply there's exonerating evidence.

But that's ONE HELL OF AN AWFUL MISSPEAK.

Misspoken or not, people in authority HAVE to be careful with what they say (and how they say it) right now.  There's a big difference between:
 
A.  We have evidence to the contrary.  But we will take this seriously and do our due diligence. 

and B.  We may have evidence to the contrary, but we will take this seriously and do our due diligence.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Hopefully these riots make more voters in MN realise the importance of having politicians who recognise the importance of maintaining law and order, Trump should be able to capitalise on these riots and the more riots happen the better it will be for him electorally, he likely does understand how to use these riots to help him politically I would say, it would be a good way for him to turn away the focus from the virus.

Because that's what's important here.  "Winning!"

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

FU fatso.

https://twitter.com/Complex/status/1266123753349513217

Must've just died of natural causes, then, Mr. Marx. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheoKeith/status/1266431226895839233

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheoKeith/status/1266431989315506176

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheoKeith/status/1266431226895839233

Will he survive his arrest or the arresting officer will use the usual strenght?

"He's fine.  He's alright.  Quit whining."

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

No mention of the Minneapolis situation during the brief Trump news conference. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

What happens if a significant portion of the cops involved in this saga are not ultimately convicted?

It's not going to be pretty. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

What are these photos of?

They depict police departments kneeling in solidarity for Mr. Floyd - I believe that's Coral Gables PD on the left. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

A criminal complaint against former Minneapolis police officer, Derek Chauvin, shows that George Floyd was "non-responsive" for nearly three minutes before Chauvin took his knee off his neck.

The complaint filed by the Hennepin County Attorney's Office also cited a preliminary autopsy report showing that there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Instead, the report said that it was the "combined effect of Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."Floyd was 46 when he died. He had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, according to the report.

https://www.insider.com/george-floyd-non-responsive-before-officer-took-knee-off-neck-2020-5

Note the "combined effects" section.  Even in the event that Chauvin's actions were not the sole reason for Floyd's death, he still acted in an extremely reckless manner that apparently contributed to his death.

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CBS reporting that Floyd's family plans to release the results of a second-opinion independent autopsy sometime this afternoon.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/lawyer-representing-george-floyds-family-to-release-results-of-independent-autopsy/amp/

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1267537971051474944

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

If this is the new narrative that we're going with -- that Floyd was "intoxicated" on Fentanyl, then he would not have been nearly as coordinated or coherent as he appears in the various videos taken pre-arrest.  From my experiences, people who have overdosed on Fentanyl appear to be severely drunk (depending on the dosage).  

None of this matters anyway.  Let's say that Floyd was high-as-a-kite, his cardiovascular health was in dire straits and he was minutes away from an unrelated infarction.  Chauvin's actions still directly contributed to his death.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

If this is the new narrative that we're going with -- that Floyd was "intoxicated" on Fentanyl, then he would not have been nearly as coordinated or coherent as he appears in the various videos taken pre-arrest.  From my experiences, people who have overdosed on Fentanyl appear to be severely drunk (depending on the dosage).  

None of this matters anyway.  Let's say that Floyd was high-as-a-kite, his cardiovascular health was in dire straits and he was minutes away from an unrelated infarction.  Chauvin's actions still directly contributed to his death.  

What do you mean by the part that I have bolded? The store clerk who made the 911 Call said that Floyd looked drunk or something. That there wasn't something right with him. That Floyd was sitting in his car. It appears to be that it was 7 minutes between the 911 Call and the time the first officers arrived.

He was handcuffed and arrested at that time, he appears to have his knees buckled at that time. The formal arrest appears to be while Floyd was sitting/sprawling on the ground.

The store clerk thought that Floyd was drunk or something. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, the store clerk would not have been able to run down the street and yell at him and get the license plate, because Floyd would have driven off. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, he would not have been sitting in the car 7 minutes later when the police arrived.

Imagine that a drunk is beating the c__p out of his wife. Do you send a doctor, nurse, EMT, marriage counselor, or a police officer?

I was going off of the videos I'd seen just prior to his arrest.  I admittedly didn't read the full 911 transcript.

My point still stands, though: Floyd potentially being intoxicated does not absolve the officer(s) in this case.  I'm not sure if that's the angle you're going for, jimrtex, but he was handcuffed on the ground with a fully-grown man putting his weight on his neck for almost nine minutes.  That's inexcusable, point blank. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

If this is the new narrative that we're going with -- that Floyd was "intoxicated" on Fentanyl, then he would not have been nearly as coordinated or coherent as he appears in the various videos taken pre-arrest.  From my experiences, people who have overdosed on Fentanyl appear to be severely drunk (depending on the dosage).  

None of this matters anyway.  Let's say that Floyd was high-as-a-kite, his cardiovascular health was in dire straits and he was minutes away from an unrelated infarction.  Chauvin's actions still directly contributed to his death.  

What do you mean by the part that I have bolded? The store clerk who made the 911 Call said that Floyd looked drunk or something. That there wasn't something right with him. That Floyd was sitting in his car. It appears to be that it was 7 minutes between the 911 Call and the time the first officers arrived.

He was handcuffed and arrested at that time, he appears to have his knees buckled at that time. The formal arrest appears to be while Floyd was sitting/sprawling on the ground.

The store clerk thought that Floyd was drunk or something. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, the store clerk would not have been able to run down the street and yell at him and get the license plate, because Floyd would have driven off. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, he would not have been sitting in the car 7 minutes later when the police arrived.

Imagine that a drunk is beating the c__p out of his wife. Do you send a doctor, nurse, EMT, marriage counselor, or a police officer?

I was going off of the videos I'd seen just prior to his arrest.  I admittedly didn't read the full 911 transcript.

My point still stands, though: Floyd potentially being intoxicated does not absolve the officer(s) in this case.  I'm not sure if that's the angle you're going for, jimrtex, but he was handcuffed on the ground with a fully-grown man putting his weight on his neck for almost nine minutes.  That's inexcusable, point blank.  

He was not using his full weight. Most of his weight was on his other foot.

Nobody said that restraining Mr. Floyd (in itself) was wrong.  
 
"Not using his full weight" is not relevant here.  From what I remember in the forensics classes that I took (my original path through undergrad), it only takes about five to ten pounds of pressure to occlude the carotid arteries.  It takes about thirty to thirty-five pounds of pressure to occlude the airway.  

Let's assume that Chauvin weighs 160-180 lbs.  Even if he's not placing all of his weight on one knee, a significant portion of his body weight is being applied to Floyd's carotid and airway.  

This may have been a different story if Chauvin held Floyd down for fifteen-to-thirty seconds (although even this can be dangerous).  But Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck for almost ten minutes.  Restraining him until he relaxes is fine.  But you don't mess around with the vital arteries and airway. 

Sources:

https://www.pathologyoutlines.com/topic/forensicsasphyxia.html  

https://www.umc.edu/som/Departments%20and%20Offices/SOM%20Departments/Pediatrics/Divisions/Forensic-Medicine/files/investigating_asphyxial_deaths.pdf

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

If this is the new narrative that we're going with -- that Floyd was "intoxicated" on Fentanyl, then he would not have been nearly as coordinated or coherent as he appears in the various videos taken pre-arrest.  From my experiences, people who have overdosed on Fentanyl appear to be severely drunk (depending on the dosage).  

None of this matters anyway.  Let's say that Floyd was high-as-a-kite, his cardiovascular health was in dire straits and he was minutes away from an unrelated infarction.  Chauvin's actions still directly contributed to his death.  

What do you mean by the part that I have bolded? The store clerk who made the 911 Call said that Floyd looked drunk or something. That there wasn't something right with him. That Floyd was sitting in his car. It appears to be that it was 7 minutes between the 911 Call and the time the first officers arrived.

He was handcuffed and arrested at that time, he appears to have his knees buckled at that time. The formal arrest appears to be while Floyd was sitting/sprawling on the ground.

The store clerk thought that Floyd was drunk or something. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, the store clerk would not have been able to run down the street and yell at him and get the license plate, because Floyd would have driven off. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, he would not have been sitting in the car 7 minutes later when the police arrived.

Imagine that a drunk is beating the c__p out of his wife. Do you send a doctor, nurse, EMT, marriage counselor, or a police officer?

I was going off of the videos I'd seen just prior to his arrest.  I admittedly didn't read the full 911 transcript.

My point still stands, though: Floyd potentially being intoxicated does not absolve the officer(s) in this case.  I'm not sure if that's the angle you're going for, jimrtex, but he was handcuffed on the ground with a fully-grown man putting his weight on his neck for almost nine minutes.  That's inexcusable, point blank.  

He was not using his full weight. Most of his weight was on his other foot.

Nobody said that restraining Mr. Floyd (in itself) was wrong.  
 
"Not using his full weight" is not relevant here.  From what I remember in the forensics classes that I took (my original path through undergrad), it only takes about five to ten pounds of pressure to occlude the carotid arteries.  It takes about thirty to thirty-five pounds of pressure to occlude the airway.  

Let's assume that Chauvin weighs 160-180 lbs.  Even if he's not placing all of his weight on one knee, a significant portion of his body weight is being applied to Floyd's carotid and airway.  

This may have been a different story if Chauvin held Floyd down for fifteen-to-thirty seconds (although even this can be dangerous).  But Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck for almost ten minutes.  Restraining him until he relaxes is fine.  But you don't mess around with the vital arteries and airway. 

Sources:

https://www.pathologyoutlines.com/topic/forensicsasphyxia.html  

https://www.umc.edu/som/Departments%20and%20Offices/SOM%20Departments/Pediatrics/Divisions/Forensic-Medicine/files/investigating_asphyxial_deaths.pdf

Wouldn't that be pressure on the side or front of the neck?

Why would Floyd repeatedly be saying that he couldn't breathe while he was standing up?

Are Minneapolis police officers trained to distinguish between fetanyl intoxication and alcohol intoxication?

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

What an utterly obtuse response. It was a simple question, it didn’t require a ponderous line of branching inquiries capped by a non-sequitur.

Wrongdoing means illegal or dishonest behavior

You can do something wrong, but it not be illegal or dishonest.

I was simply asking for clarification of what PKG was asking.

You launched off into a line of tangential questions that weren't necessary for stating your position clearly. She didn't ask you about what you thought about the other officers' culpability or about another unrelated police shooting case involving a black victim, she asked you whether you think Derek Chauvin is responsible for wrongdoing. You also could have just freely given your opinion on whether you thought it was malfeasance or misfeasance, or whether it was wrong, illegal, dishonest, or any combination of the three, or none. PGQ isn't a lawyer or judge, she probably wasn't even thinking about the legalese aspect when she asked her question.

She asked a question that included a word which typically has a certain connotation.

I know that she is neither a lawyer or judge, but I suspect that she does understand what I was asking.

Fair enough, jimrtex! So let me ask in a more specific way: do you believe that it is appropriate for Chauvin to be charged with homicide?

I'm not trying to needle you or ask you loaded questions. Yours is simply a perspective that isn't being expressed all that frequently.