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leecannon
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« on: April 09, 2024, 03:15:30 PM »

At least the voters are allowed to vote on the issue in November. Almost certain it will be overturned.

I wonder whether that helps Biden to win the state.

It definitely will, the type of people who get driven to the polls by this sh*t are most likely Democrat voters.  All things remaining the same, I’d definitely be surprised if Republicans win AZ in any way (including senate). This probably sinks Schweikert and Ciscomani, maybe even Crane seeing that Flagstaff is in his seat.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2024, 03:19:18 PM »

Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempts to Repeal 1864 Abortion Ban

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Republican leaders in the Senate removed one bill from the day’s agenda on Wednesday, legislative aides said. In the other chamber, a Republican House member who has done a political about-face and called for striking down the law made a motion to vote on a Democratic repeal bill that has sat stalled for months. But Republican leaders quickly put the House into recess before any vote could be held.

Democrats on the Senate floor jeered as their Republican colleagues filed out of the chamber.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2024, 06:28:25 PM »

How long before Ben Toma is in Trump's crosshairs? I've said many times Trump isn't gonna cede a critical battleground state, and if he sees these as an electoral obstacle, he will fight tooth and nail to get rid of it. And god be damned to anyone that gets in his way.

I don't think you are grasping how anti-abortion people think about this issue. Ben Toma literally thinks the Holocaust just ended and it's up to him not to restart it. He won't care if Trump insults him for it.

If Arizonans want legal abortion, they will have to vote in Democratic governors, legislators, and judges forever. There's no more Roe safety net. Any time Republicans take power in most states, abortion is going to become illegal, because to them it's literally a life and death issue and they don't care about the long term electoral consequences.

You are describing an evangelicon and not every Republican is one of them. Many Republicans support compromise laws like 15-weeks and don't think of this as "the Holocaust".

Without Evangelicals the GOP is dead. They have to keep them in the fold or they have no electoral future.
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leecannon
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2024, 09:50:22 PM »
« Edited: April 11, 2024, 12:46:35 AM by Born to Slay. Forced to Work. »

How long before Ben Toma is in Trump's crosshairs? I've said many times Trump isn't gonna cede a critical battleground state, and if he sees these as an electoral obstacle, he will fight tooth and nail to get rid of it. And god be damned to anyone that gets in his way.

I don't think you are grasping how anti-abortion people think about this issue. Ben Toma literally thinks the Holocaust just ended and it's up to him not to restart it. He won't care if Trump insults him for it.

If Arizonans want legal abortion, they will have to vote in Democratic governors, legislators, and judges forever. There's no more Roe safety net. Any time Republicans take power in most states, abortion is going to become illegal, because to them it's literally a life and death issue and they don't care about the long term electoral consequences.

You are describing an evangelicon and not every Republican is one of them. Many Republicans support compromise laws like 15-weeks and don't think of this as "the Holocaust".

Without Evangelicals the GOP is dead. They have to keep them in the fold or they have no electoral future.

If the GOP loses evangelicals, then that would finally give them the go ahead to drop the wedge issues that no one cares about. There are countless number of center to center-right voters who agree with most GOP policies but get turned away by the evangelicals. May cause short term pain but long term gain. Only question is where do the evangelicals ultimately go?

You seem to misunderstand the relationship. Evangelicals aren’t republicans, republicans are evangelicals. In much of the south, Midwest and plains the republican party is majority evangelical. They quite literally would cease to exist in any meaningful way if they loose those states.
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leecannon
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2024, 09:26:52 PM »

Dems are giving away the store here and basically bailing out the GOP. The constitutional initiative was guaranteed to pass and the unenforced ban was going to be a great motivator for Dems. But of course they were fine completely taking it off the table.

Democrats don’t want women to die
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